David

I remember him with velocity like today's in another of his starts. I'm not too worried but I will be looking closely to see if we see an increase in his next start.

Seriously, what a ridiculous argument. It's like if I said "Neifi is worthless," and someone else is like, "No he's not. He got hits and threw guys out sometimes."

He absolutely crushed that, wish it got out

HOWARD!!!!

Strike em out, throw em out DP ends the inning after a Hart double

Then again, if it's you saying that, that rain must be pretty damn bad.

I don't see how it could. They'd have nowhere to put it as it is. I would imagine they'll do everything in their power to get an official game in.

it's a stat that shouldn't mean nearly as much as it does to many people, but it's been a part of baseball for 130 years... no reason it should go away. that's about the best case one could make for keeping it around. That's fine. I can ignore it and old timey people can keep looking to it. I just wish more people knew what it really means.

Brewers blow 2 on no out situation in 2nd Moyer is getting squeezed by this ump

Not to mention the ridiculous arbitrary stipulations written into the W-L rule in order for a PITCHER to be awarded a win that the team achieved. It's almost as stupid as the QS stat.

I pretty much agree with this . Meaningless= totally without value. Lets say all you know about pitcher Joe Blow is that he went 20-9 for the year. At the very least you can glean from this limited information : Joe Blow was probably healthy the entire year, one of the most important factors in evaluating a pitcher. You don't really think there were better offers for Rich Harden than the somewhat pathetic one we gave do you ? Of course not. Simply because Harden, despite his fantastic numbers, is unlikely to win very many games because he is only capable of limping to the mound for 5 innings at a time, 15 times a year at best. So we have determined that Joe Blow probably managed to at the very least stay healthy, simply by his won-loss record. This fact alone removes the win statistic from the meaningless category. 2. That despite anything else, Joe Blow managed to go 5+ innings at least 20 times. No small feat. Nothing earth shattering, but still not in anyones definition I have ever met as " meaningless". 3. That more than likely Joe Blow at least, somehow, someway, managed to keep his team in the game a significant number of times. Once again, earth shattering info? No. Meaningless ? No again. If you look at the previously mentioned Bert Blyleven, and look only at his 279 or whatever wins, you can, at minimum, assume that over his career he managed to stay relatively healthy, and pitched well enough for a long period to keep a job at the major league level. This is not meaningless information. It has value. Do inquiring minds want to know more ? Sure. But the information is far from meaningless. Except that all of this can be determined, and determined with more precision and certainty, by looking at other numbers, numbers that are found in the same places you would go to find their record. It's a joke stat that shouldn't even be kept, but I digress.

I'm not saying you're saying anything other than what you said. They're meaningless because there are better ways to judge pitchers and there's nothing stopping anybody from using other metrics. It's not like these other numbers are hard to find or are only available to certain people. If you can find W-L, you can find the other stuff. No reason to even look at their record. If, for some reason, W-L record is the only tool at your disposal to figure out who the good pitchers are, go nuts. But that's not reality, so why even bother with such a flawed stat?

You get right on the side of playoff preparation and say eff the Brewers. Run out the B team and if they lose, oh well.

If things can go right this weekend, we can still clinch early enough that it won't matter... :beg:

Lame argument. Would you like me to waste both our time listing the vast majority of the pitchers on the other side of that coin, or shall I not bother ? Why use a stat that looks at something that is influenced by more than good pitching when you can just look at numbers that tell you how well they actually pitch? Why use inferior tools when superior tools are readily available for everyone? It's archaic, and the fact that wins come partially as a byproduct of good pitching doesn't justify using it to evaluate anything when you can see much more by looking elsewhere.

wtf

The comedic value of the Brewers not making the playoffs after all this would almost be worth it, though. But no friggin way do I want the Phillies in the first round. Eh... who cares, though, really. It's all the same. Either we win or we don't.

The problem with a Phils sweep is that it (I think) ties them up with the Brewers, making the chances of us facing Philly in the first round significantly higher.

If the Brewers lose this particular game, they are really going bad right now.

Phils 3/4

That's what I thought at first too, but now the full quote is on mlb.com- The funny thing is, he says that the Brewers don't need to worry about the Phils because the Phils are behind them and that they would only have to worry about them if the Phils were ahead of them... then he goes on to say that the Cubs, who are ahead of them (actually by more, now), should worry about them. Not a bright guy here.

I want to root for the Stros to take it, but that's kinda hard when they're facing us this weekend. Maybe the Phils can sweep the Brewers, and we can sweep the Astros (after they win tomorrow, of course)...that would be an absolute best case scenario.

Looking like the Dodgers are in pretty good shape. Just put my name in for their playoff ticket lottery. I'll be out there for damn sure if they manage to pick my number.

I just can't get off that "setup is usually in higher leverage situations than closer" soapbox.

Yea, move Marmol out of the roll he's most valuable in and use who in his place? The irony in this is that the people who have been in favor of this (not necessarily on this forum, but in general) want to take the better pitcher and put him in the less important roll.