Pierre struggled to outproduce Patterson in his(their) good seasons. His inability to hit for extra bases hurts him, his mediocre to poor stolen base percentage drags down his OBP's effectiveness, and he's a poor defender. If we're going to gamble on a CF returning to form after a crappy 2005, why not do it with the younger and better defender who doesn't cost you any players? I cannot believe that Patterson vs. Pierre is even coming up. Patterson cannot compare to Hairston Jr., much less Pierre, 1) "In their good seasons"- well CPatt has had one. And Pierre has had many. In their bad season, Pierre still managed to hit .276 and steal 57 bases. Pattterson managed to be arguably the worst offensive player in all of baseball. 2) You are rigging the stats by taking into account slugging pct. The Cubs need a leadoff man. I don't care how many home runs Pierre hits. We all know he's going to have a crappy SLG%. I care that he gets on base. Patterson will NEVER touch Pierre in OBP. Just because CPatt can hit a bunch of solo shots late in meaningless games really does nothing for me. For me, there is no comparison. 3) The highest OBP CPatt has even put up is .329. That's it. Even in the minors he couldn't do much better. Pierre has been above it, usually WELL above that in 5 of the last 6 years. If CPatt is anywhere near CF this year, I'll be upset. I'm fine with Walker as a leadoff guy, we don't need to overpay for a subpar player because he's a "leadoff hitter". WARP2 Patterson: 2.9 in 2003(projects to 6.0 with the amount of PA's Pierre had), 4.8 in 2004 Pierre: 4.2 in '03, 4.9 in '04 The Runs Created numbers support this as well, but I don't have the time at the moment to get them, I'll edit later. I really don't know what WARP2 means, so I can't really comment much on that. But if you're saying that we shouldn't overpay for Pierre, that's fine. We shouldn't overpay for anyone. But no matter what WARP2 means, I can't possibly see how any comparision between Patterson and Pierre is even close. Pierre only beat CPatt 4.9 to 4.8 this year? Can you honestly say that Pierre's .276 Average only beat Patterson's .250 OBP by that much? Well whatever those numbers mean, I just don't buy them. Maybe you can explain. The Cubs were near the bottom again in OBP, and near the top in slugging and home runs. I don't see how it makes sense giving Patterson another shot. He put up a .254 OBP this year. Ouch. WARP is Wins Above Replacement Player The 4.9 to 4.8 is 2004. My comparison of the two was their good seasons, and both were very bad this past year(Patterson obviously being worse). I'm not campaigning for Patterson to be in CF next year, I'm one of the biggest Milton Bradley proponent's around here. On the other hand, I don't think it would be as bad an idea as some to put him there if the necessary improvements are made elsewhere(highly unlikely). My point is that Pierre isn't that great either, and I wouldn't be thrilled with either in CF. Even less so with Pierre given age, defense, and cost situations.