Playing a brutal non-conference schedule every year will do that to you. It's worked out pretty well for them thus far I'd say. with all due respect, hawaii is not a brutal team. They're a good team, and they're very good at home. I was also addressing the sentiment of the yearly occurrence too. They cramped up real bad in the second half of that game, and were much better in that aspect against Chaminade. But even disregarding Hawaii, they now have back-to-back games in back-to-back days against top-10 teams, plus Georgia Tech and BC in the next 2 weeks. That's the brutal I was referring to. I'll be happy if they go 2-2 in those games, hoping for 3-1. I understand that, but for the last 3 or 4 years, it seems to me that Michigan State is very overanked in the preseason polls. I follow the Big Ten pretty closely and for a few of those years I couldn't understand how they could possibly be ranked that high. It just didn't make sense. They do play well in the tourney so maybe that's it. I wasn't surprised to see them ranked so high this year, and I wasn't surpised that they lost their first game. Honestly, you don't think they are a top 5 team in the country, do you? I'm not saying that they are a bad team, but I see them more as a 15-10 than a top five this year. I suppose my feelings are similar to my feelings about Michigan this year when everyone said they would be playing for a National Championship. I don't know if they're a top 5 team, I haven't really seen them play(watching the Gonzaga game now). But with the talent they're returning, and given their finish last year it doesn't surprise me at all.