Lidge's ERA+ was 181 last year; Dempster's was 136. Not exactly a fantasy when you, uh, you statistics. That includes Dempster's subpar time as a starter. As a reliever last year: Lidge: 3.12 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 12.45 K/9, .226 BAA, 3.00 K/BB Dempster: 1.85 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.18 K/9, .218 BAA, 1.96 K/BB Lidge was better, but it's not a landslide.