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I mean, it would depend on the Carolina pick. That being #1 changes everything. But if the Bears are in the position to keep Fields and draft a non-QB in the top 5, I'd take one of the blue chip guys. I really don't care what position. Marvin Harrison Jr- Ohio St, WR Brock Bowers- Georgia, TE Olu Fashanu- Penn St, OT Those are the blue chippers other than Caleb Williams (Maye is debatable) to me. If you get one of those guys, you figure out spots later. Harrison becomes the best #2 in the league. Bowers a big slot and you run 12 personnel all day. Fashanu moves Braxton to guard or swing tackle.
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I think if Fields puts up those numbers, and finishes with 7 wins (6-6 rest of the way), you probably have to keep him. I mean at this point, you HOPE Williams can give you that type of production. You know Fields can do it. You gotta pick up the 5th year option (still wouldn't sign him long-term) but I think those numbers make you pretty confident that Fields is the guy and the proverbial bird in the hand. It's a really tough call though when you throw in coaching. You probably hang on to Getsy/Flus if they finish 7-10 with 7 wins in their last 13 games (including last night). You don't want Fields to have to learn a 3rd offense in your organization coming off of 4000/30. If you can somehow keep the same coaching tree and very similar terminology, then it's probably fine. But if Fields is that good, this is your coaching staff/front office/QB combo for a while.
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Feels good to celebrate a win for the first time in a year. And for those worried about draft pick status, if all the 1-3 teams lose and match the Bears 1-4 record (they won't Denver/Jets and Cincy/Zona play each other) the Bears are still in the #2 spot due to weakness of schedule. If Carolina somehow beats Detroit, the Bears would be in the #1 spot themselves. But the most likely scenario after this weekend is a much needed Bears win, and a much desired result of remaining in the 1-2 spots in the 2024 NFL draft.
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I've said this on Twitter, but firing Eberflus now doesn't really do anything for this franchise, TBH. He's not good and needs to be fired after the year anyway. But if you fire him in-season, who is the interim? You are either promoting Getsy or the special teams guy and then you are on your 3rd guy calling the D. That approach is changing the defense for the 3rd time, while keeping the offense status quo. Both sides of the ball are bad, but defense truly doesn't matter nearly as much. This would be missing the point completely. NFL franchises go as their offenses go. Their offenses go as their QB goes. The last 12 weeks of the season needs to be focused on seeing if you can salvage anything with Fields. The Fields/Getsy combo has lost 14 straight, you have evidence this doesn't work. You fire Getsy, give Janocko a shot, then you see if maybe that different voice gets Fields some consistency and he develops into the guy you hoped he would be in the 2nd half of the season. You also maybe have a long-term OC for the team as well. Obviously, that's a long shot but it's a better chance of Janocko/Fields turning into something than it is to stay stagnant. If they aren't good enough, you've lost nothing and still are picking a new QB and offense anyway.
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Agree that the 2022 approach was reasonable. But it didn't have to be so drastic. I'm fine with trading old guys like Mack and Quinn. I'm even fine with the logic of trading Roquan, but then going out and spending big on LB the next year is contradictory. But he could have added 1 long-term piece, non-draft wise. He was willing to spend big money on Ogunjobi, but was not willing to spend the same money to help his QB (OL or WR) in his pivotal 2nd year of development. As for the position priority stuff (and the LB spending is a big part of that), I feel like maybe that's a bunch of letting Eberflus have his say. Like Edmunds reeks of Flus wanting an Urlacher type in the middle of the defense, and he's said as much. I also think he's a WILL LB which is a different point. But if some of these moves are OC/DC influenced (Patrick, Edmunds, drafting hella DBs) then I'll be willing to let Poles get another chance. Then again, he's the one that picked the coach (actually some stuff out there questioning if he did fully pick Flus) and allowed him to have that much personnel say as an inexperienced coach.
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This! I've learned thru the years of having friends/family members in the NFL. 99% of guys know who is making the roster day 1. Every once in a while you get a surprise, but when coaches say "open competition" it's a flat out lie. They already know who they want where and have envisioned what it looks like. Obviously, there are exceptions where there is a legit competition, but those exceptions usually are between 2 bad players (Trubisky/Foles type stuff). -
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Chuck Noll was retained, the Steelers got the #1 pick, got Terry Bradshaw (ironically won a coin flip vs the Bears for the right to pick 1st), and started a dynasty and have only had 2 other coaches since 1969. Folks, we aren't bad....we are just in the beginning stages of a dynasty! -
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To be fair, from what I can tell, all of Bienemy's legal issues happened in his college years or early NFL years. He's also the most interviewed coach of all time, who has never received a HC job. There's something teams don't like about him as a person/leader. It was also unclear how much of the KC offense was him vs. Andy Reid. And it would be a tough sell to the fans to go to another Reid disciple at HC. That being said, Bienemy is getting a chance to run his own offense this year. Had 2 good games to start in Washington, but they put up just 3 yesterday and their QB had 4 INTs. Jury is still out on him. -
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Brian Johnson only has 1 year as an OC/playcaller. And he's running someone else's playbook. Cooter has similar off-field past as Bienemy. And I'm weary of college coaches in general. There's not a ton of success making that transition from college to the pro game. -
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I was thinking about this yesterday, and based on those names, it's Ben Johnson or bust for me. I want to like Bienemy, but I know teams have been pretty taken back by his brashness and past history of misconduct. After the Alan Williams stuff, that's going to be a tough sell. I don't like those college guys, including Harbaugh. Lincoln Riley might be worthwhile if you think Caleb Williams will otherwise refuse to play in Chicago with their history of what they have done to QBs. -
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I think you have to get rid of Getsy. Probably not going to happen this week or it would have already. So maybe at the mini bye after Washington. You gotta see if someone can salvage something. You can't do nothing and just try to avoid 0-17. You have to see if maybe if you have something with Janocko. You have to see if anything in Fields is salvageable. I have heard rumors that the team loves Flus, but nobody on offense thinks Getsy knows what he's doing. -
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So yesterday, Bears/KC was the national game of the week. FOX cut from the game at halftime to show Cowboys/Cardinals. But because it was the national game, it wasn't available on Sunday Ticket either, so I couldn't watch the 2nd half. For this game, I will be at my sister's wedding, so I will miss this too. This is the best thing to come out of the Poles/Flus regime! -
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They don't strike me as a bounce back on long notice group. They've had 11 months and a full offseason to bounce back and haven't. -
That makes more sense. But honestly, if they pick a QB at all, he should be playing. It's not like Fields is proven to win you games or get you to offensive respectability (like an Andy Dalton). And there's really no reason to have a horrible roster again. Even if they take a QB top 10, they're likely going to have another top 10 pick, and 2 other picks in the top 70 along with 90Mil in cap space, not to mention players like DJ, solid TE, a couple solid RBs, a potential franchise OT, a promising DB group and some well paid LBs. Obviously, they won't be a great, and maybe not even a "good" roster, but if they are "we can't throw this kid in there" bad, then it's probably more bad GM'ing.
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I mean, they gushed over him all offseason and even the things in camp about he looks so much more comfortable and in control year 2 of the offense. That stuff was coming all the way down from the top. And obviously, you don't pick up the 5th year or anything. But I wonder if Fields shows something for a similar stretch he did last year, do they try to see if another GM can support him better or if another coach can get him to take another step. Again, it's probably pretty stupid to give him a 3rd offense in 4 years, but this org. has been pretty stupid for decades.
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Am I crazy for thinking there's a scenario where Eberflus and Poles are gone and Fields is given another year? The top of the organization was said to love Fields from his first year through at least before Week 1 started. Conceivably, they hired Poles based on him agreeing to keep and build around Fields. It's possible he could have been pressured to keep Fields instead of taking a QB 1st as well this year. There's also the history with Kevin Warren. Obviously, that would probably take something like Getsy being fired in the near future and the team being bad, with Fields improving a bit and the Bears and Carolina not being top 4 pick bad. So, obviously a long shot on all parameters. But I could see Warren and McCaskey being like, "hey we wronged you Justin, we'll give you one more shot". And this is not a support post for Fields, moreso a belief that the organization won't get this right and get GM, offensive HC and QB all coming in together.
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Just catching up on the last few pages.... Justin not holding back. I never thought there could be any in-season major moves made, but if Fields isn't happy with Getsy, I'd venture to guess there's other players on the offense not happy. Could see a midseason move if things don't improve soon. Deion said he isn't coming to the NFL. He cited not being able to motivate NFL players. But I've heard the NFL isn't as interested as fans are. He's a "bigger than the team" type personality, and teams don't typically go for guys that take away attention from the team/players. The best bets would be teams like the Raiders, Cowboys or Jags who have either made these type of hirings before, have a larger than life owner or could use the attention (Jags have a likely long-term coach though).
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It's not really about missing out on anyone. If Poles kept Fields, his reasoning better be that he truly believed Fields could be the best QB in franchise history, and one of the best in the league. If the reasoning is that he wasn't in love with these prospects or that he wanted to get a bunch of assets to then go for a QB, then that's asinine reasoning. If that is the case, Poles not only wasted 2022, but also 2023. It's just not acceptable to waste 2 years waiting on this mythical QB prospect you may or may not even have a chance to draft.
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I guess it's possible. But it's insanely stupid if he that was the line of thinking. The Bears had a lot go right to get that #1 pick. And unless you're getting the #1 pick (Williams), I think you're getting a lesser QB than Fields....AS A PROSPECT, and you don't even know who's coming out, taking a step forward. Actually, now that I think about it....I don't think that's possible. In that case, you take extra picks over DJ Moore. You don't trade for Claypool midseason. You may even take Jalen Carter over Darnell Wright.
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The Bears never do anything in the right order. Just going back to the recent guys..... Cutler- traded for w/ Lovie, a defensive coach. Came in on Lovie's 2nd OC hire, played for 2 additional OCs under Lovie, then Trestman as an offensive HC, and 2 OCs in 2 years under John Fox. Trubisky- drafted with a lame duck at HC, who didn't even know they were picking him. So they knowingly were going to teach him 2 offenses in 2 years to start his career. Fields- drafted by a lame duck GM, who had a lame duck HC, who failed with the previous QB that was the supposed reason he took the HC job. IDK that Pace went in thinking Fields would have to also learn 2 offenses in 2 years, but whoever let him trade multiple picks had to take this possibility into account. So all these moves had either the QB coming in to an established head coach and/or were already there when a new coach came in. Just once, you'd think they'd hire a GM who has an offensive plan and hires a coach that shares that same plan, and together they select a QB that can carry out their plan.
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I thought Carter passed block pretty well. IDK the stats, but I personally counted 2 pressures and 1 sack allowed (Fields running into Vea after 20 seconds). His run blocking upon re-watch was abysmal. And to be fair, Whitehair, the expect C, can't snap either. Also the backup C, Feeney, came in for 2 plays and had a rolled snap.

