Is that even with the assumed Lions loss tonight? (24-10 Saints currently) Yeah. Sorry I should have clarified that. The Lions have lost and the Bears still do not control their own destiny. In fact, if all 3 teams win next week (Lions against Minnesota, Falcons against Carolina), the Bears will relinquish their playoff spot they now hold to Detroit due to the Division record tiebreaker. How would ATL have the tiebreaker over us again? Although the Bears hold the tiebreaker over the Falcons, they lose out in a 3 team tiebreaker with Atlanta and Detroit. Because all 3 teams are tied at 7-5 right now, if all 3 won out the Bears would lose the tiebreaker. The first step in a 3 team tiebreaker is to eliminate one team if 2 teams are in the same division. In that case, the Lions would win the tiebreaker over the Bears due to record against common teams. Then if there was only 1 playoff spot available, the Falcons would win by virtue of beating the Lions. But since there are 2 playoff spots at play, they would both make it, leaving the Bears on the outside. I know it kind of sucks to go 2-1 against the teams were tied with and be on the outside looking in, especially when the Lions went 1-2 and the Falcons 1-1, but that's the way they draw it up. So it goes right to the 3-team tiebreaker? They don't look at conference record at all? Just curious, this stuff always confuses me. edit: Nevermind. Think I figured it out. If both teams win out: Bears will be 8-4. Wins against ATL, CAR, MIN, TB, SD, DEN, GB, MIN Losses against: NO, GB, OAK, KC Lions will be 9-3: Wins against TB, KC, MIN, DEN, CAR, MIN, OAK, SD, GB Losses against: ATL, GB, NO