Outside of Orton, how many bad QBs have good W/L records? Orton's record is already beginning to crumble. In the end, he will be sub .500. Your sins find you out. I guess it depends on how you define bad. I don't think Kyle's bad when compared to, say, Rick Mirer. There's similar stories to Orton out there. How about Jim Miller? 15-12 career record (God, I didn't realize he started so few games). Kordell Stewart went 48-34 yet was always a source of argument and consternation in both Pittsburgh and Chicago. Neil O'Donnell -- I'd describe him as decidedly average, yet posted a 55-45 overall record with some pretty solid Steelers clubs and a decent Jets team in '97