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Any way we can trade like Dempster, Ceda, Donaldson and Wuertz? Or am I waaaaaaaaaaaaaay lowballing? Basically I don't want to give up Marmol, but I would assume any trade for Nathan would include Marmol. If we can keep him though CL - Nathan 8th - Marmol 7th - Howry 6th - Wood LHR - Eyre

BCB linked to this in Al's blog entry today, and I thought I'd post it here. Raido calls from Len and Bob, Pat and Ron, and Bob Uecker during Aramis' walkoff against the Brewers last June 29th. Pitchers and catchers only 2 weeks away.... http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/story/2007/6/29/185350/258

What? Brad Wilkerson has signed with Seattle... which wouldn't make much sense if this trade doesn't go through, what with Ibanez, Ichiro, and Jones set in the outfield, with Sexson at first, and Vidro the DH. Yeah, it was a move that originally was intended to be made after the Bedard trade as as countermove for losing Jones. They were originally holding the signing back until after Bedard was dealt, but I'm assuming they signed him because either A) they are just about set to acquire him or B) They are still confident in the deal, and Wilkerson's agent is getting pissed that this verbal agreement isn't going through yet.

Haha, that's crazy. I've checked this some, but haven't posted much in it. I just haven't cared until it finally now looks like it will happen. And don't get mad at me if I insult E-Pat (assuming that's what your name refers), I just have this personal hate towards him. It's funny you bring that up, my username is because I'm from East Peoria, Illinois. The irony is that Patterson was a Chief the summer I was an intern there. So no, it's not for Patterson, but I do like the guy. Did you interact with him at all? What is he like? We all heard about his issues with being tardy and stuff and the impression that it leaves us of him.

Someone on Orioles Hangout said that Pie wasn't in the deal. I think he had a source too, but I'm too lazy to check. If it was 2 for 1 without Pie, maybe its Gallagher/Colvin.

WAIT! STOP THE PRESSES! Are you trying to tell me that a Roberts to Cubs deal is close??

Mark him down for the DL Edit: Oh and hopefully 18 is the only thing that Geovany Soto takes from Jason Kendall.

If this is indeed what is holding the trade i would imagine that the deal can be announced tomorrow or saturday. If the mariners fix the paperwork this afternoon i would imagine Sherill and Jones would get check by the orioles tomorrow and then the deal would get announced. Anyway i can't imagine what the reaction would be in here if Roberts gets traded to the indians the next day after Bedard is gone. :lol: At this point I'd just laugh hysterically. Or start talking with a British accent like Britney Spears.

Here are the average rankings thru the first 11 results: 1. Mets - 1.0 (highest - 1, lowest - 1) 2. Dodgers - 3.2 (2, 7) 3. Phillies - 4.2 (2, 7) 4. Cubs - 4.9 (2, 8) 4. Diamondbacks - 4.9 (2, 8) 6. Rockies - 5.5 (2, 8) 7. Brewers - 6.0 (2,9) 8. Padres - 6.6 (2,10) 9. Braves - 6.9 (2, 9) -------------------------------------------------------- 10. Reds - 10.1 (8, 12) 11. Astros - 11.9 (10, 15) 12. Cardinals - 12.7 (11, 15) 13. Nationals - 13.2 (11, 15) 14. Marlins - 14.0 (10, 16) 15. Giants - 14.1 (11, 16) 16. Pirates - 14.8 (12, 16)

Is this the new Random Chat Thread?

I'd like to hear your arguments. This is what I said in another thread: My argument for the Diamondbacks is that just about their entire lineup consists of highly regarded prospects playing their in their first and second MLB seasons last year. Considering that they managed to have the best record in the NL last year despite their prospects learning on the job, I would expect vast improvement from their lineup. If they produce like last year, you are right. But they obviously got a lot better in SP, essentially replacing Livan Hernandez with Haren and Petit with Randy Johnson. FYI, the Diamondbacks team OPS by month: April: .714 May: .757 June: .700 July: .706 August: .715 September: .811 Playoffs vs. Cubs: .890 The problem with the D'Backs is offensively, they don't have one sure thing. Their whole team is like 23 years old. They could be very good if they all take big steps, but they could be terrible if none of them do (offensively at least). More than likely, they will be below average with an great starting rotation. Randy Johnson will probably be hurt at some point though. I can see them being in a lot of close games this year, so if they get lucky/manage their bullpen perfectly or whatever made them outperform their pythag last year they can be a contender, but it seems unlikely. At least to me. I agree they are very unproven. I think by the end of this year, you will see Justin Upton emerge as the teams star, with Eric Byrnes, Chris Young and Connor Jackson playing minor stars. Combine that with a 1-2 of Webb and Haren and you are going to see the DBacks wreck some havoc in the league.

I'd like to hear your arguments. This is what I said in another thread: My argument for the Diamondbacks is that just about their entire lineup consists of highly regarded prospects playing their in their first and second MLB seasons last year. Considering that they managed to have the best record in the NL last year despite their prospects learning on the job, I would expect vast improvement from their lineup. If they produce like last year, you are right. But they obviously got a lot better in SP, essentially replacing Livan Hernandez with Haren and Petit with Randy Johnson. FYI, the Diamondbacks team OPS by month: April: .714 May: .757 June: .700 July: .706 August: .715 September: .811 Playoffs vs. Cubs: .890

their success was primarily because of one move. Yes, and the Cardinals have somewhat lucked into success as well. My point is that they aren't a sabermetric team, but they (at least they think they are) are good at recognizing and developing amateur talent. Who exactly have they developed outside of Joe Mauer who was someone they couldnt mess up. Justin Morneau and Matt Garza and that's about it. 1998 - Ryan Mills (6th overall) 1999 - BJ Garbe (5th overall) 2000 - Adam Johnson (2nd overall) 2001 - Joe Mauer (1st overall) 2002 - Denard Span 2003 - Matt Moses 2004 - Trevor Plouffe 2004 - Glen Perkins 2004 - Kyle Waldrop 2004 - Matt Fox 2004 - Jay Rainville With the exception of the no brainer choice, that's about the worst run of drafting during that time frame in the first round in the non-Royals division. Pirates?

I would think all the stats guys in the Red Sox FO know all about his defensive value and will not accept something like Wuertz for him.

But the question wasn't about Bedard, it was about Roberts. Bedard was just mentioned as a barrier for the Roberts trade to occur.

Depresses me to read things like this:

This is what I feel like when I think of the Nomar experience: http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/nomarpain.jpg

Well Bane, obviously even the best teams have weaknesses. I think right now we've built ourselves a pretty solid ball club, but obviously if we find a part of our team that is under performing, we'll have an opportunity to jump in and improve the team at that point. But right now, I am pretty satisfied with the players that we have going into camp.

God, I hope no Cub fans ask this question, we will look like the meatball White Sox fans, WHY NO TORRI HUNTER!! ARGHAHHAHAH! Except Santana is actually good

I am neither an insider or the "OG" as you call it. Mr. Miles is both of those and much, much more. So, anything he says, would and should trump my information a thousand times over. I just happen to be someone, like many of you I'm sure, who knows different people in many different walks of life. You build relationships and you hear things. Sure Jim Hend- I mean Hoops ;)

I started talking about this in another thread, but I would be interested to see how people think the NL is shaping up. I think right now its all over the place. With the Mets acquiring Santana, I would be most would pick the Mets at number 1, but from there you can go a number of ways. Here is what I projected: 1. Mets 2. Diamondbacks 3. Dodgers 4. Rockies 5. Phillies 6. Padres 7. Brewers (just being a pessimist) 8. Cubs 9. Braves 10. Reds ----------------------------------Realistic Contender Line---------------------------------- 11. Astros 12. Cardinals 13. Nationals 14. Giants 15. Pirates 16. Marlins

It's funny because I'm looking at Crisp's career line of .280/.329/.409/.738 with an average of 12 HRs and 25 SB and that's give or take what I'd hope from Pie this season.

But the rumored players are entirely too much for a player like Crisp

When I saw this, I was thinking this is a follow up for a trade involving Pie, but then I saw the rumored players the Cubs would have to give up for Crisp and I really have to wonder.

[-X Don't forget, we're in the National League. I think Hill has shown that he can be an effective starter and there's really no reason why Lilly can't repeat the year he had last year as well. Sure another pitcher would be nice, but I don't really think it's too big of a hole right now for this team. Why is there no reason Lilly can't repeat? Career 4.46 ERA and 1.34 WHIP with a "career" season at age 31? He spent a lot of his career in the AL East. He's pitching most of his games in one of the weakest, if not THE weakest, divisions in all of baseball. He did have some control problems at times last year, but overall, I thought he was our most consistant starter on the staff. I fully expect him to come close to repeating the numbers he had last year. Don't you think those are hollow numbers though? Although I would appreciate him helping us beat weak teams and win the division again, I would feel very wary about him being our #2 starter in the playoffs.