I will never forget that game, and I will never fully hate Estes because of that game. IIRC, he even had 2 hits that game. Of course if he didn't suck the rest of the year, that game wouldn't have been necessary. Bingo. No need to sugar coat because of one well-timed quality start. He sucked. That and, look at the Reds lineup that day. Who wouldn't have shut them down? Freel Hummel Jimenez Casey Branyan Pena LaRue Olmedo Add that to the fact that we were up 7-0 after the 3rd inning, and I guess his performance isn't as impressive as once thought. BTW, the fact that Estes started that game over Cruz reminds me of Trachsel getting the start over Marshall late last season against Houston. When will the Cubs learn?