Over Grossman? I thought Kyle was pretty decent until he suffered that high ankle sprain against the Lions in November. Fake edit: Up to that point (including Lions game) here were his numbers: 8 games, 62% comp %, 90.8 Rating, 1777 yards, 10 TD, 4 INT 7.3 YPA After he returned from the high ankle injury after missing just 1 week: 7 games, 55% comp %, 67.2 Rating, 1195 yards, 8 TD, 8 INT, 5.4 YPA Of course Orton turned out to be a pretty mediocre QB after given chances with the Broncos and Chiefs but I don't know why someone would have hated Orton coming out of the 2008 season.