Yeah again I havent really watched the Lakers much due to their irrelevance, all I've seen of Kobe is occasional flashes of brilliance in youtube videos where he is still able to beat his man or do a reverse layup or hit some 3s, and then looking at some of his box scores when I see he's still playing over 30 minutes a game and taking 20+ shots. So using that evidence, I pieced together he can still occasionally look good, and perhaps not making him log so many minutes and not putting him in a role where he is the 1st 2nd and 3rd option on offense would make him productive as a player in short spurts and contribute to a contender. I think it's solid logic but everytime you stress how bad he's been makes me question that to some degree. And going way back to the original argument, I stated in the beginning that Kobe would never leave the lakers and/or accept a greatly reduced role because he is who he is. So I agree he's not going to suddenly become a different player after all this time. The rest of the argument was whether he'd actually be effective as a role player on a different team if he actually was on board. And in that case I put together examples of former stars, some stars in their era, some HOFers, so low post guys, some alpha dog guards, who successfully did that to different degrees.