You could have said those very same things about Peyton Manning, Brees, and maybe even Brady the last 10 years. Some people are just smarter than the rest and have a better football IQ. I think Luck is going to have a higher football IQ compared to Jay before long. Maybe Jay just needed a great receiver to make his football IQ look better than it is. We'll see. re: arguments being dumb as dog [expletive] How good is Manning's athleticism? He has average arm strength. A veritable statue. Notice you didn't say anything about accuracy. That is what those three guys have and that is one of Jay's weaknesses. i don't know where those guys come in and i don't know how one can assert, from watching today's game, that luck is accurate. i do know that jay has won his last 6 starts in fairly impressive fashion and most likely would have had a chance at the super bowl had he not been injured last year. I agree with your last line. My point is that you can't say that athleticism and a strong arm means you are a better QB or will be one when 3/4 of the top QBs in the league don't have those traits (Rodgers is the perfect mix of everything). But the more I think about it, I think Luck is just about as athletic as Cutler. What did he run in the 40? 4.5-4.6?