CubfaninCA

Depends how they're used. Walker's the better 1-2 hitter. Sori the better 4-5-6 hitter.

The Cubs need a 5 hitter too and Soriano's a better 5 hitter than Walker. The problem is that w/ Bradley there's a good possibility he misses an extended amount of time and either Soriano or Neifi end up batting 2nd. Hence get Wilkerson!

With Pierre in CF, I don't like Bradley for Walker. Would much prefer Wilkerson than Bradley, but since I'm a pragmatic this lineup would be pretty solid ~~~ Pierre, Bradley, Lee, ARam, Soriano, Barrett, Murton & Neifi/Cedeno. Hendry would have plenty of ammo leftover to get Soriano, who could be a very effective 5 hitter.

Can see Walker for Bradley or Walker for Wilkerson. Hopefully, it's Walker for Wilkerson. Wrigley should help Wilkerson huh.

Wilkerson would be alright in the 5 hole & in RF. His .839, .844 & 872 ops from 02-04 beats the heck out of Burnitz. I can't see any deals w/ Tampa. They're almost impossible to deal with.

I'm going to guess Washington. Bowden loves toolsy guys. Any confirmation on whether a pitching prospect is actually included or not? Wilkerson & Livan from Washington would be sweet. Just don't see Bradley fitting in, and I think Oakland values him more. Abreu will be too pricey. Thus, jmo, but I think Hendry opts for Wilkerson in rf.

Well, the Cubs held onto Pie, Patterson, Guzman, Rich Hill and JWill and yet filled CF. Where's Patterson going now??

Danny F. Jackson!! Todd "The Turd" Hundley. Bump Wills. Ron Cey. Kevin Tapani. Henry Rodriguez. Jaime Navarro. Randy Myers. Rod Beck. Candy Maldonado. Dave Smith. Jason Bere. Flash Gordon. Benito Santiago. I just had about 15 bad memories fly into my head at once. All of those guys were "hot commodities" in the year they hit the market. Shows how bad the Cubs have been at the FA game; what success the team has had has almost exclusively come via trades. Of that entire list above, the only signings that you can say were somewhat of a success were Dawson of course, probably Alou and Tapani, definitely Myers and Beck, maybe Flash. Danny Jackson, Todd Hundley, Dave Smith! Bump Wills, oh man I hated him. What a slug. CANDY MALDONADO! You know, it is SO sad, as a Cub fan honestly it makes me laugh most of the time. I mean, you can't TRY and be this pathetic, it exceeds all rational explanation. Yes, it is a curse. I refuse add Danny Jackson. Knew I was forgetting someone from teh 84 team. That list brings tears to my eyes.

Aren't message boards for discussion? You didn't get the point I made on pages 1 & 2? It was pretty simple. Non-controversial.

LOL. I'm sitting this one out. if by 'sitting out' you mean making 10 posts. I'm not going to take the chance of letting this escalate anymore.

LOL. I'm sitting this one out.

What the hell is your problem? Mods, I apologize in advance. I made a very simple point and the guy insisted on nitpicking for some reason.

how are you not banned? Huh? I've seen the trolling accusation thrown out various times. I commended you. Ligthen up and be positive.

he didn't have an argument, so it's impossible for me to twist it. his 'argument' was 'you gotta take chances'. my argument was that you didn't...there are other CF on the market and the cubs have other leadoff possibilities. he hasn't came back w/ anything for that other than 'pierre could be good again'. i'm not comparing gonzalez to pierre, i was just making an argument like he did...w/ nothing backing it up other than 'you gotta take chances'. Fair enough, but I interpreted his argument to mean that Pierre has put up .370 before, so he could do it again, especially with that long Wrigley grass. That is at least based in some thought process rather than lets just take a chance. If he didn't mean that, then I appologize. I took it as prior history suggests type of argument. Your interpretation is correct. I wasn't trying to be slick. ;)

And what if it's .326 like it was last year? That's the chances you have to take. At least it's about .200 points better than Patterson right? ;) why is that a chance you have to take? that makes no sense. He's posted .378, .374, and .361 too. and a .332. what's your point? yeah, he could be a decent leadoff guy, but there are only a few one year rentals that i give up the top 3 minor league arms for -- and slappy mcgee ain't one of them. and unless you're finding a way to get dunn, abreu or manny (w/o your top minor league arms, who you traded for your dreamboat, once in a lifetime, 'prototypical leadoff guy, mind you), this team isn't going anywhere next year anyway. so what's the point in giving up the farm for a guy that can help you win 81 games instead of 79? Sorry you can't comprehend my point (taking chances). Pretty simple concept. This team isn't going anywhere next year?? That's a great attitude. gee, i hope the cubs can fight through my bad attitude to win the world series next year. i don't get your point because you don't have one. all you said, was, 'you have to take chances'. and i say, no you don't. you don't hav anything to back up your 'gotta take chances' claim. should the cubs trade hill, pinto, paw, pie, nolasco and everybody in the system for alex gonzalez? no? well, you gotta take chances, and that's the extent of my argument. i win. For Christsakes that's not what hes saying. Really convenient to twist it like that. He's saying taking a chance on Pierre isn't bad because he's had at least 3 .370 OBP years. Some people and their ridiculous arguments. :roll: If I checked last Agone has never given you a glimpse at a .370 OBP so that would be a foolhardy chance taken. Pierre has done it several times. Now if you just don't like Pierrre, you just don't like him, but I can't stand seeing people twist others arguments that blatently. Bingo. He's just trolling tonight. I commend his effort. :)

What players are you speaking of, on the trade block, that'll bite at an offer of Nolasco/Pinto? Wilkerson and Bradley. Walker career leadoff: .291/.349/.443/.792 Pierre career leadoff: 304/.354/.375/.729 Walker's better, it's pretty clear. If Baker was going to leadoff Walker, he would have led off last year. It's not going to happen. Give it up. You mean like baker had him leading off in 2004? Classic. Last year = 2005 when Macias, Nef and Patterson led off.

And what if it's .326 like it was last year? That's the chances you have to take. At least it's about .200 points better than Patterson right? ;) why is that a chance you have to take? that makes no sense. He's posted .378, .374, and .361 too. and a .332. what's your point? yeah, he could be a decent leadoff guy, but there are only a few one year rentals that i give up the top 3 minor league arms for -- and slappy mcgee ain't one of them. and unless you're finding a way to get dunn, abreu or manny (w/o your top minor league arms, who you traded for your dreamboat, once in a lifetime, 'prototypical leadoff guy, mind you), this team isn't going anywhere next year anyway. so what's the point in giving up the farm for a guy that can help you win 81 games instead of 79? Sorry you can't comprehend my point (taking chances). Pretty simple concept. This team isn't going anywhere next year?? That's a great attitude. gee, i hope the cubs can fight through my bad attitude to win the world series next year. i don't get your point because you don't have one. all you said, was, 'you have to take chances'. and i say, no you don't. you don't hav anything to back up your 'gotta take chances' claim. should the cubs trade hill, pinto, paw, pie, nolasco and everybody in the system for alex gonzalez? no? well, you gotta take chances, and that's the extent of my argument. i win. When did AGonz post an obp of .378 or .374? Do I have to draw you a picture? The guy could have another really good year. He's in his prime.

What players are you speaking of, on the trade block, that'll bite at an offer of Nolasco/Pinto? Wilkerson and Bradley. Walker career leadoff: .291/.349/.443/.792 Pierre career leadoff: 304/.354/.375/.729 Walker's better, it's pretty clear. If Baker was going to leadoff Walker, he would have led off last year. It's not going to happen. Give it up.

And what if it's .326 like it was last year? That's the chances you have to take. At least it's about .200 points better than Patterson right? ;) why is that a chance you have to take? that makes no sense. He's posted .378, .374, and .361 too. and a .332. what's your point? yeah, he could be a decent leadoff guy, but there are only a few one year rentals that i give up the top 3 minor league arms for -- and slappy mcgee ain't one of them. and unless you're finding a way to get dunn, abreu or manny (w/o your top minor league arms, who you traded for your dreamboat, once in a lifetime, 'prototypical leadoff guy, mind you), this team isn't going anywhere next year anyway. so what's the point in giving up the farm for a guy that can help you win 81 games instead of 79? Sorry you can't comprehend my point (taking chances). Pretty simple concept. This team isn't going anywhere next year?? That's a great attitude.

And what if it's .326 like it was last year? That's the chances you have to take. At least it's about .200 points better than Patterson right? ;) why is that a chance you have to take? that makes no sense. He's posted .378, .374, and .361 too.

If the A's are offering Zito for Bradley, what should Hendry offer?

And what if it's .326 like it was last year? That's the chances you have to take. At least it's about .200 points better than Patterson right? ;)

Getting Pierre keeps Neifi out of the leadoff spot. I won't be mad if his obp is .370 either.

How many big name free agents have the Cubs signed the past 25 years?? Andre Dawson, who pleaded to be a Cub. George Bell, Alou and, and, and ummmmmmm..... Surely, I'm forgetting someone.

If true, looks like LA's going to spend money afterall. If it's a small market team like Cincy or KC, it's a bad move, cause Sori is costly for what he does. .. Although he is one of the best offensive 2b's in baseball. Since LA rakes in the revenue though, it's a solid move. It beats the heck out of Izturis @ 2b w/ Kent @1b or Choi @1b & Kent @2b.