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IMO, Guzman's K/BB ratio and WHIP seem indicate Guzman pitched about as well as Miller, but didn't get the same results ERA wise. Guzman also has (again, IMO) the better upside. He has a far better chance for improvement than Miller.
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So they should stick to a bad decision because they don't have the guts to admit a mistake sooner rather than later? They shouldn't let one start change the conclusion they drew after having 8 weeks of performance to consider. If Miller was their guy out of ST, he's still got to be their guy one week/one start into the season. I would agree with that. If they actually think Miller is better than Guzman by all means, they shouldn't pull the plug based on one start. I just do not agree with the Cubs that he should be their guy. I also don't understand why they would start skipping him if they think he can handle it.
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So they should stick to a bad decision because they don't have the guts to admit a mistake sooner rather than later? No. They should instead skip said fifth starter because that...er...doesn't reek of panic?
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Not to mention the fact that the Cubs view him as such a liability at this point, that he's been (or is going to be) skipped twice in the first two weeks of the season, meaning more innings racked up for the other starters.
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Look at his minor league numbers and then get back to me about how he isn't waiting to destroy opposing hitters. And why is it that the pitcher with the wrecked shoulder who needs to relearn how to pitch doesn't have to earn it, but the talented guy does? Ok, let me get this straight, spring training stats against major league hitters don't count, but minor league stats against hitters who aren't major league quality do? Dude, come on, you are far more logical then that I hope. As far as earning it, that's what happened in open four way competition in spring training between Neal Cotts, Mark Prior, Wade Miller, and Angel Guzman. He won the spot and deserves the chance to do his job. Why aren't we talking about Howry who has now blown two games or hitters who are not preforming well, because it's way early in the season and they haven't had enough games to judge. Neither has Miller. Be consistant across the board. Judge everyone early, or no one early. Don't just arbitrarily judge people at different points because you might think they may or may not have "the stuff". I don't see how you're comparing Miller to Howry. Howry has pitched great (or at least well) the last two years, oh, and he hasn't had any kind of major surgery and lost 8 mph off his fastball in the process.
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WE'RE NOT MAKING COMPARISONS ON SHORT DATA VOLUMES. Holy cow, how else can it be said. Guzman's minor league performance is probably more reliable than the 58 innings pitched he had last year. (see: Hill, Rich).
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I don't think anyone is saying that. I'll say it again, it's not just one start. Miller's past shouldn't be ignored. Is his past that bad that he couldn't be counted on for a number 5 starter? He's talking about the completely destroyed shoulder, inability to avoid injury and subsequent loss of 10pmh on his fastball. If he's going to throw in the mid 80's with no movement, he should be in long relief so he can work with whoever on a new way to pitch, because what was apparent on Sunday was he was attempting to pitch as if he still had the velocity to overcome lack of movement and control. It's one start. hahaha...i give up.
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I don't think anyone is saying that. I'll say it again, it's not just one start. Miller's past shouldn't be ignored. Is his past that bad that he couldn't be counted on for a number 5 starter? IMO (in comparison to Guzman's), yes.
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I don't think anyone is saying that. I'll say it again, it's not just one start. Miller's past shouldn't be ignored.
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I really don't think it's a terrible thing to give Miller 4-5 starts at the outset of the year to find out whether he can still be effective. Maybe Guzman would do a better job, but probably not a whole lot better. And it gives Prior time to get his stuff together in extended spring training and hopefully be ready to step into the rotation. Okay, but the Cubs are seemingly so uncomfortable with Miller being out there that they are skipping him whenever they get the chance. If they are that uncomfortable with him in there, they have another option; Guzman. Whether or not skipping Miller taxes the other starters to the point that it hurts their effectiveness in the long term is debatable, but I'm still not a big fan of it.
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who pitched like crap last year. If we don't sign Miller, then we're going into the season with our fifth starter being: a) Mark Prior, who can't stay healthy and when he was healthy last year, he got hammered... or... (b) Angel Guzman, who can't stay healthy and was really, really bad for the Cubs last year. I'd rather have more options, even if it turns out that Miller doesn't have what it takes to get big league hitters out. I do agree with that. I had no problem with signing Miller. That was under the assumption that he is pretty much an insurance policy in case Guzman or Prior, etc. aren't ready. I think Guzman is. Put Miller in the pen. If he throws a fit, then you might have to consider a trade or DFA.
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If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity. Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here? Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller. Then that's an irresponsible way to put together a winning team. You don't make promises like that you can't keep. If he's not good enough to start when his turn comes up, you put him in the pen and tell him to get over it.
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I don't understand why everybody saying it's only one start like Miller is a complete unknown. I'm not saying he can't be somewhat effective at some point, but if they are skipping him this much already, let's not waste a spot in the rotation on him. Get Guzman in there.
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He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment. Agreed.... I would agree, if it was the only thing we had available to estimate Miller's likelyhood of success. Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately) Miller has a history other than this one game that should be considered.
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Sounds like a sound plan. I'm not so sure. If Miller is bad enough that you want to skip him, give Guzman a chance.
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I couldn't find the "Lou won't skip 5th starter" thread so I started a new one. Lou now looks to be skipping Miller again. Cubs don't want Miller going flat
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i want to die
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no bunting, please
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Murton getting benched again for lesser player
soapy replied to RegulusBlue's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Floyd starting again today. -
Kerry Wood - No return until back-to-back days possible
soapy replied to UMFan83's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
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So Hawkins was blowing saves because he was distracted? That must be what injured Nomar as well. I'll be damned. It's still all speculation, not evidence. The arguement might have more validity if players were saying they couldn't perform as they usually did because of said distractions. That's not the case. Players do say from time to time though that they didn't play the way they usually could because of distractions. I'm not sure if anybody from the 04 Cubs did, but players do say that from time to time-Nevin even said that about the 06 Cubs. I remember Nevin saying something about the clubhouse (walking on eggshells or something maybe?) but I don't really remember him saying it was hurting the team's play. I'd have to go back and look to refresh my memory. Having said that, the 2006 Cubs could have been BFF and it wouldn't have mattered. I think we're looking for an example of a team that is talented enough to be successful but does not have that success because of off field distractions. I don't think that's an accurate analysis of the 2006 Cubs.
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Peegs does something like that which I visit almost everyday. It's nice to be able to find several articles from one source.
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Steve Stone Could Be Involved with New Ownership
soapy replied to vance_the_cubs_fan's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I still like Steve Stone on a personal level. Having said that, based purely on some of the things he's said on the radio, I wouldn't want him in a front office position that had him involved in personel choices. -
So Hawkins was blowing saves because he was distracted? That must be what injured Nomar as well. I'll be damned. It's still all speculation, not evidence. The arguement might have more validity if players were saying they couldn't perform as they usually did because of said distractions. That's not the case.
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Prior visits Yocum and Andrews; THT on Prior's Mechanics
soapy replied to DiamondMind's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
hahaha...nice