I know it's been discussed in the past, but we should be pursuing Hellickson aggressively. Their acquisition of Escobar might make Barney a less attractive option for them, but then again, Zobrist will be 32 in May, and is a free agent after 2013, and he could be an expensive one, so they might consider flipping him. Barney, DeJesus, and Vogelbach for Hellickson? He definitely fits what we are looking to acquire. But what's the big appeal with him, other than he had a good minor career/ is young? So far at the ML level his FIP/XFIP have been about 1.50 points higher than his ERA, he has very average K% and k/9 movies and he appears to have average velocity (average FB is about 91 MPH). I get that it can take time to figure it out, but he seems to have average stuff (from a velocity standpoint) and his FIP/XFIP points to him getting lucky/over performing his real ability. Tampa Bay's defense is a factor. Most of their pitchers outperform their periphs. Hellickson is a bit of a strange case, though. He induces a lot of weak contact, something you might typically assume will adjust, but he has managed to maintain the trend for his two years now. The other major issue is his strand rate. He pitches considerably better with men on base (3.74 FIP compared to 5.14 FIP with empty). With men in scoring he gets even better (3.47 FIP). Maybe he's tougher to pick up in the stretch. Maybe the sequencing is better. Maybe he's just been lucky...Probably all of the above. I didn't think about the defense thing, but should have. They definitely have been at the front of the creative defensive positioning/alingment thinking. That's interesting about the strand rate. You're probably right that it's a combination of all 3, but if we would be giving up good players/prospects for him I hope it's the sequencing/harder to pick up the ball thing rather than it being he is just getting lucky as that certainly won't stay a constant over his career.