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Neifi Neifi Neifi Macias Neifi Neifi Neifi Neifi It doesn't matter. The Cubs won't get the right people and they will miss out on the playoffs again because Hendry is still the GM. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot...and Baker is a complete idiot. And so is Hendry. Just thought I would speed things up and bring this thread to its natural conclusion. :wink:

Yeah, but people here get criticized for saying the same things that person in the article is saying. Sometimes Hendry can do no wrong in the eyes of some. If you call presenting evidence that counteracts some of the more outrageous claims being made "criticism", then yes. Evidence exists and has been clearly presented that shows that Hendry isn't an idiot, a moron or even a terrible GM that can do nothing right. Maybe we can look at all of the evidence and base our opinions on that instead. Just a thought.

I disagree. While it is true that several people predicted that Hollandsworth wouldn't produce anywhere near the numbers he put up in '04 before he got injured, no one predicted that he would be so far under his career averages. And no one predicted that Hollandsworth would start the year the way he did. No one. A lot of us predicted Hollandsworth would suck. It turned out, Hollandsworth sucked more than we expected. Bottom line, many of us were vehemently against the idea of Hollandsworth starting in LF. Many of us. And we were right. Yes, we were. I was one of the many fans who were against the idea of Hollandsworth starting in LF. But thats not what frostwyrm was saying in his post. He was saying that most of us here saw Hollandsworth's poor performance coming. And while it is true that we saw a return to his career norms coming, no one, to my recollection, predicted that he would perform so far below is career averages and certainly no one predicted that he would start the year the way he did. Are you disputing this?

I disagree. While it is true that several people predicted that Hollandsworth wouldn't produce anywhere near the numbers he put up in '04 before he got injured, no one predicted that he would be so far under his career averages. And no one predicted that Hollandsworth would start the year the way he did. No one. Hollandsworth would have been just fine if they only used him for what he is good at. Coming off the bench. Probably. Lord knows I was hoping for Dubois to be the starter from the beginning of the season. But he was pretty bad coming off the bench for ATL this season, too.

No, its not blatantly obvious that Hendry is a moron. No it is not a fact that Hendry is single-handedly imploding the organization. There is far more evidence to support that Hendry is not a moron and has improved this ball club than there is evidence to support the contrary. How soon you all forget. I'll let Bruce Miles take over now... How does a moron or a complete idiot or any of the other names he has been called do all of that in just a couple of years? Pull your heads out of your butts people and see both sides. Is he perfect? No. Is he a moron? No. Does he have differing views on baseball than some of us? Clearly. Does that mean that he is wrong and we are right? No. You are free to over-react and vent all you want on these pages. But it does get old. Especially when there is evidence presented to you that counters many of the over-reactions. That evidence often gets ignored and the bashing continues. There are more sides to be seen and understood than just your own. From what I have seen from last offseason and this one yes he is a moron. Maybe you should get your head out of your butt. I guess 4th place in the division with a 100mil payroll is good enough for you. Well it isn't for me. So far this offseason has been a HUGE dissapointment. Hey man, ignore the evidence if you want. I'm just tryin' to keep it real.

I disagree. While it is true that several people predicted that Hollandsworth wouldn't produce anywhere near the numbers he put up in '04 before he got injured, no one predicted that he would be so far under his career averages. And no one predicted that Hollandsworth would start the year the way he did. No one.

Yeah right. I'd say the questions are pre-arranged, but I know people who have asked before. I guess the question askers are just scared to speak out. Can you imagine: "How do you justify overpaying the market value (cite example of a player comperable or better to Neifi getting signed this offseason for similar role for much less) for a player who is below average at best and a player you know your questionable manager will end up starting over your up and coming player just because he was alive for Jimmy Carter's presidency? You really don't know? Because for all this foaming at the mouth the people do here, it's a lot harder to actually speak up to the person in real life than bash him mercilessly on an internet board. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand exactly what you mean. Are you saying that the fans on this site who criticize players and management by calling them names don't really mean what they say?

If Hendry "like the guys who catch the ball", then this player would be an all-time favorite of Hendry's, then? :lol: http://www.muchosucko.com/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/Men/crotchrub.jpg No, that would be if he said, "I like guys who only catch the ball and do nothing else."

Yeah right. I'd say the questions are pre-arranged, but I know people who have asked before. I guess the question askers are just scared to speak out. Can you imagine: "How do you justify overpaying the market value (cite example of a player comperable or better to Neifi getting signed this offseason for similar role for much less) for a player who is below average at best and a player you know your questionable manager will end up starting over your up and coming player just because he was alive for Jimmy Carter's presidency? I say why not? If that is how you really feel, why not ask the question? If you think those things are the truth and have the means to justify them, then it would be as good of a question as any other, wouldn't it?

That's exactly what I was thinking. You must be reeeeaaaallly smart. :wink:

It's a new position. "Dusty and Neifi's Bitch". I'm still laughing even as I write this...

Nine people have voted!? Lets go so we can move on to CF! :D

No, its not blatantly obvious that Hendry is a moron. No it is not a fact that Hendry is single-handedly imploding the organization. There is far more evidence to support that Hendry is not a moron and has improved this ball club than there is evidence to support the contrary. How soon you all forget. I'll let Bruce Miles take over now... How does a moron or a complete idiot or any of the other names he has been called do all of that in just a couple of years? Pull your heads out of your butts people and see both sides. Is he perfect? No. Is he a moron? No. Does he have differing views on baseball than some of us? Clearly. Does that mean that he is wrong and we are right? No. You are free to over-react and vent all you want on these pages. But it does get old. Especially when there is evidence presented to you that counters many of the over-reactions. That evidence often gets ignored and the bashing continues. There are more sides to be seen and understood than just your own.

Furcal and Giles. In my mind, this is what has to happen to give the Cubs their best shot as winning in '06. I sure am glad to see anyone predicting that Giles will go to the Cubs.

I wouldn't say that I have said anything positive. I would challenge anyone to quote me saying that this was a good signing or anything of the sort. I have presented some evidence that seems to counter those that have said that it was a terrible signing. I have presented evidence countering those that are calling for Hendry's job. I have presented evidence that counters those who fear that Neifi will be a starter on this team. I have presented evidence that demostrates that spending 2.5 million for a veteran SS who has won a gold glove and is coming off of the type of year Neifi had, which btw is right in line with his career averages, and is signing with a team that has the kind of payroll the Cubs have isn't outside of what the market has been producing on other teams. Basically, I have been trying to be the voice of reason in my own way. But I doubt I succeeded. My own personal feelings I have yet to express. I'm waiting to see the big picture. If signing Neifi helps land Furcal, great. If Neifi does indeed come off the bench, great. And if the 2.5 million doesn't prevent Hendry from signing others (i.e. Hendry doesn't give the reason that this guy got away because we couldn't fit him into our payroll by a couple million), then this signing might be okay. I don't think that Neifi Perez is one of the worst back-up SS in the major leagues. But maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, too bad you couldn't be on base that often, Neifi. I like my sig better. I do too. But to be fair, you misquoted him. He didn't say he will be on base 2-3 times. He said he could be. And on certain days, that will certainly be true. I copied it directly from an article earlier. They either changed it or it's at a different link. It could just be a different reporter. Was it off of ChicagoSports.com? That's where I got mine. This may a glimpse into just how inaccurately sportswriters quote the managers and players we follow.

Yeah, too bad you couldn't be on base that often, Neifi. I like my sig better. I do too. But to be fair, you misquoted him. He didn't say he will be on base 2-3 times. He said he could be. And on certain days, that will certainly be true.

Regardless of what other shortstops make, it's a bad signing for the Cubs, since Cedeno can provide comparable performance for much less. Your statement only makes sense if Cedeno isn't starting. What if Cedeno is starting like so many articles are saying he will? Someone is going to have to back him up. Whether its Cedeno and Walker or Furcal and Cedeno, someone is going to have to be the back-up SS. Kind of off-topic, I'm hoping that Cedeno can provide much more than a "comparable performace" to what Neifi could do. :wink:

Has anybody seen these quotes from Neifi? Jeez, if he gets the starting job over Cedeno, it won't be because he was lobbying for it. Neifi then gives those of us who believe that Dusty has a fear of the unproven player some more evidence, not that we need any... It also appears that Neifi might serve a dual purpose next season. He'll be the back-up infielder... And he'll play Jack Haley to Furcal's Dennis Rodman... Not only that, but he also may serve as an ambassador between Hendry and Furcal... Yeah, too bad you couldn't be on base that often, Neifi.

I'm not sure this is a right way to use Neifi. How about sending him undercover as "Abraham Nunez" and have him cork Albert Pujols bat's? It's just crazy enough to work. That brought an audible chuckle for me. If you can make me laugh on the day my house got burgularized, that's something. Good work.

What market? No one else had the chance to bid on Neifury. The same thing an arbitrator would use, Geech. When a player goes to arbitration, no one is bidding on him, are they? The market is what other SSs with comparable stats are getting paid. in that case Neifi should be getting 500k/year. On the extreme low end, I agree. Angel Berroa had a .305 OBP and a .680 OPS to Neifi's .298 OBP and .681 OPS, and he made exactly $500,000 last season according to espn.com. But he also played for the Royals who had the one of the lowest payroll's last season which agent's must take into account. But then there are Orlando Cabrera (6 mil .309/.674), Jack Wilson (3.25 mil .299/.662), Alex Gonzalez of the Marlins (3.4 mil .319/.686) and Christian Guzman (4.2 mil .260/.574). There are plenty of players who had similar OBPs and OPSs that were paid less than Neifi's 2.5 million like Cesar Izturis (2.15 mil .302/.624), Alex Cora (1.3 mil and a .275/.607), and Juan Castro (1 mil .279/.665). Arbitrators also have to take into account the player's personal salary history and his most recent performance. While agent's take into account a given team's payroll and how much they can afford to spend. So there are a lot of factors that go into determining what is a fair price to pay for someone's services. Those are four horrible contracts. The players were not expected to perform as badly as they did when they were signed. Neifi is hoped to perform at the level. Nobody thinks those are good contracts. Except maybe our moron of a gm. Oh, I agree. All I'm saying is that good or not, underperforming players or not, those contracts still set the market. Bottom line, Hendy just paid 2.5 million for a bench guy. Is that a lot? You bet, especially when you compare it to other teams who have much smaller payrolls than the Cubs. But the only question that matters is can the Cubs afford it? I don't know. I guess we'll see.

What market? No one else had the chance to bid on Neifury. The same thing an arbitrator would use, Geech. When a player goes to arbitration, no one is bidding on him, are they? The market is what other SSs with comparable stats are getting paid. in that case Neifi should be getting 500k/year. On the extreme low end, I agree. Angel Berroa had a .305 OBP and a .680 OPS to Neifi's .298 OBP and .681 OPS, and he made exactly $500,000 last season according to espn.com. But he also played for the Royals who had the one of the lowest payroll's last season which agent's must take into account. But then there are Orlando Cabrera (6 mil .309/.674), Jack Wilson (3.25 mil .299/.662), Alex Gonzalez of the Marlins (3.4 mil .319/.686) and Christian Guzman (4.2 mil .260/.574). There are plenty of players who had similar OBPs and OPSs that were paid less than Neifi's 2.5 million like Cesar Izturis (2.15 mil .302/.624), Alex Cora (1.3 mil and a .275/.607), and Juan Castro (1 mil .279/.665). Arbitrators also have to take into account the player's personal salary history and his most recent performance. While agent's take into account a given team's payroll and how much they can afford to spend. So there are a lot of factors that go into determining what is a fair price to pay for someone's services.

What market? No one else had the chance to bid on Neifury. The same thing an arbitrator would use, Geech. When a player goes to arbitration, no one is bidding on him, are they? The market is what other SSs with comparable stats are getting paid.

All you managed to do with this post is prove that Neifi was overpaid last year as well. I want nothing to do with Orlando Cabrera, either. Sure, in our minds he was overpaid, as is Orlando Cabrera, but market forces are what they are. The reality is what it is whether we agree with it or not. :cry:

Well, its official now. Hendry is motivated to improve the Cubs defense, and he will do it at the expense of OBP, at least in his bench players. The article also stated that Cedeno is "is expected to get a shot at regular playing time at either shortstop or second base, depending on whether the Cubs sign Furcal or another veteran middle infielder." So while this article tells us that Perez will be on the team for another 2 seasons, it also tells us that Hendry intends for him to be a reserve. I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that Perez would make a terrible reserve infielder, so, for now, I okay with that. But lets see if Hendry can get Baker to use him that way. Assert yourself, JH.