ChiCubsfan0502

That's sexy defense by the Reds. 8-)

Hey, if we're not good enough for you, I'm sure they'll love you at cubs.com You are not very smart. But, hey, keep posting.

Fixed. Thanks for the post but it really doesn't matter. The fact they fail to see anything with regards to Sori and what his value is speaks to how clueless they really are. I gave them the team record and personal stats and it still doesn't register with them. No worries. Nobody is saying Soriano isn't a very valuable member of this team. That doesn't change the fact that he's not even in the top 5 candidates for the league most valuable player award. I don't know why I'm bothering making a real response. Then run along.

Isn't this the same board with many posters who thought Theriot was garbage? :rotfl:

Fixed. Thanks for the post but it really doesn't matter. The fact they fail to see anything with regards to Sori and what his value is speaks to how clueless they really are. I gave them the team record and personal stats and it still doesn't register with them. No worries.

He's not even the most valuable player on the Cubs. Clearly. we were fine without him. We were 50-20 without him and the 26-28 with him. Oh, let's reverse those.

Oh no, people on a Cubs message board don't agree with me that Sori seriously should get consideration for the MVP, despite the fact the numbers show he should. If you haven't seen what Soriano has meant to the team, well, not my problem. Best player and most valauble are not the same.

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too. But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing. WOW!! ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things. So why doesn't he deserve consideration then? Because his numbers aren't good enough and he's missed too much time. That was so easy. So, MVP is about numbers only? Yea, the time he missed we were an average team, with him, we roll.

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too. But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing. WOW!! ok, you're obviously trolling because nobody can be this good at misunderstanding things. So why doesn't he deserve consideration then?

i bet if you asked a player and manager from every team, they'd offer support for soriano as MVP too. But none of it has any merit? I can't believe, with the numbers as plain as day as to what Sori brings to the team (Win/loss record, personal stats), you ignore them as nothing. WOW!!

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in? I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo! No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out. Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch: I can find all kinds of quotes by major leaguers talking up crappy players (like Theriot talking about Neifi's greatness). Sorinao's a crappy player?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And where are the other OBVIOUS MVP candidates from the posters?

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in? I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo! No I saw them but didn't feel they added to your argument. His projected 162 game HRs and RBIs? His relative place among leadoff hitters? And your RPG argument didn't really prove anything, since you chose to ignore several times my points about the fact that there were other factors at play besides Soriano being out. Hmmm, Piniella's and DeRo's comments weren't good enough for you either? :scratch:

Umm, no. If you think it's a terrible one, you really haven't a very high baseball IQ. looooooooooooooool you're right... the Cubs are a .500 team without Soriano maybe if nobody plays LF and there's an automatic out in his lineup spot in his absence ....amirite? Find me the quote I said they were a .500 team without him, Genius. I said 85-77.

Much shorter then that weak retort that you came up with.

Umm, no. If you think it's a terrible one, you really haven't a very high baseball IQ.

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. it's hilarious watching everything blow right over your head What's more hilarious is that you think I didn't know he was just going by records to tell me that's what I was doing. Hilarious that you think I didn't know that. :rotfl:

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. it's hilarious watching everything blow right over your head I know he is being toungue and cheak, but good try though.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/sports/1095923,6_2_NA07_MLB1_S1.article This article is from 12 days ago. "When he gets hot, it's pretty unbelievable," DeRosa said of his teammate. "When most guys get hot, they get a couple knocks. He hits balls in the seats on a daily basis." And that speaks only to the value of his sheer production. Fact is, even when Soriano isn't hitting - and it certainly can look bad when he isn't - his value is impressive. At least it is to this team, the way it's built and the way Lou Piniella manages it. And Soriano's recent extended absence might finally be showing measurable evidence of it. "His presence in the lineup means a lot to us in different ways," Piniella said. "First of all, his offensive presence alone, but other things. We can rest our catcher a little more. We can rotate our outfielders a little more. We build from the one spot in the lineup, so I can go 1-3-4 and do whatever we want in the other spots." How does he help the catcher? Soriano is the top power threat with a team-leading 21 homers in his abbreviated season. And catcher Geovany Soto is one of the next-best threats, which means Piniella leaned harder on Soto to play more often when Soriano was out to help balance the lineup. Piniella also has enough lineup depth this year to put productive hitters in the 7 and 8 spots (along with some decent-hitting pitchers), which provides Soriano more RBI chances in the leadoff spot. That directly led to Soriano's third-inning homer Wednesday being worth three runs after the 7-8-9 hitters all reached base. Soriano said the praise is great, "but I cannot see what I bring to the team because I know who I am. What I bring is mostly a happiness or excitement to the game. When they see me, how hard I work, then that maybe gives motivation to them, too. Because that's what I come with every day. The same energy to try to win." Bottom line: The Cubs are 44-22 when he plays and one game over .500 when he doesn't. Now where did that ballot go?

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup: Who cares what he does to help the team, they are obviously 48-15 with him and a horrible 28-33 without him. Are you trying to tell me that there is more to a player's value than W/L record in games they appear in? I put his personal stats up as well. Of course, you choose to ignore them, so carry on with Marmol for MVP!! Wooo hooo!

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL. 48-15 with him, 28-33 without him. Nuff said. Yup. And he really sets the tone for the offense in those games. Like I said, outstanding logic. :thumbsup:

Outstanding logic :roll: Comparing a pitcher to a position player. LOL.

Yeah, lou is a idiot and a soriano is selfish hack. And clearly not an MVP candidate. :rotfl: I'd love to hear other MVP candidates from this board.

that's only because nobody hits a power hitter in the leadoff spot. if babe ruth's teams had let him hit leadoff, i'm pretty sure that soriano would have no hope of ever shattering every leadoff record. and, it should be reiterated that a leadoff hitter is guaranteed to hit leadoff a grand total of once every game. Ok, back to the team numbers. 50-20 with, 26-28 without. Explain this. Not a small sample size. Do you have any other statistic to use or do you plan on just ignoring every single argument that every other poster is giving you? The Cubs were 6-8 without Zambrano and 70-40 with him. I think Zambrano should be the team MVP. I've used plenty. Perhaps you should go back and read them. And NEVER throw a pitcher into the mix when they go to the bump 30 times a year. There's a thing called the Cy Young for that.

that's only because nobody hits a power hitter in the leadoff spot. if babe ruth's teams had let him hit leadoff, i'm pretty sure that soriano would have no hope of ever shattering every leadoff record. and, it should be reiterated that a leadoff hitter is guaranteed to hit leadoff a grand total of once every game. Ok, back to the team numbers. 50-20 with, 26-28 without. Explain this. Not a small sample size.