thank you for this post, abuck. it was one of the clearest, most direct replies to one of my posts I can remember. I now understand the point you are trying to make. Haltz & abuck, I wanted to re-read the James article one more time before I made a final post. I understand your points of view, and I think you make some valid points, but it is still troubling to me the singularity of your argument. I guess we could go round and round, but I don't think it would be productive anymore. And if I read James' article correctly, then he is still shifting through all the nuances of the discussion. So, at this point, I just will wait patiently to here more from him (as I respect him a great deal in matters of baseball) before I can really think it through anymore. He has the time and resources to study this in more depth then any of us, I believe, anyway.