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I imagine most of them will set it straight once Fukudome is introduced this week. Has anyone heard what day his press conference is yet? is Mr Miles around?? he may shed some light

do you not accept PM's? I was trying to send you one...

ah. interesting

Kosuke it is! anyone think it may be possible he cahnges it next season after he sees all the Fukudome jerseys and shirts that are llikely to be sold in the stads? or is there a MLB rule prohibiting players from doing that?

yea, I think the vast majority of NSBB (as in posters) are quite abit more complex. But I do think there is a very interesting and lively converstation on stats-based analysis vs perceived or observed analysis. I dont have an answer for every situation, as I think there are very unique instances. I do think experience can qualify a person, although verifing that experience on a message board may be hard to do. I do think the whole converation worth discussing. I just think we need find a way to have that conversation in a level-headed kind of way. I dont think that happens alot of the time. Maybe a suggestion for the board in general, a sticky thread or sub-forum for that? I would love to participate.

winner.

This is a legitimate opinion and should not be discarded simply because stats don't support it. awesome. glad we settled it.

there is alot of speculation (I dont think anyone from the Cubs themselves have said) that he will have his 1st name (Kosuke) on his jersey because he was for-warned of the translation irregularity of his last name (Fukudome) Kosuke looks like the prevailing option.

I 100% agree

I cannot imagine, at this point, Sammy not getting in. If voters can pass on him, they really should not be voting.... that all could change with evidence of steroids...

think so? you should go check out the "WSCR Rumor? " thread.... thats lame ;)

no, I am simply pointing out that if you base all your opinoins on stats, and keep saying that those types of opinoins are the only ones that can be made, you cannot have an opinoin (or at least one that has any meat to it) on an issue that has no stats to validate or deny it. it really has nothing to do with Mark Prior. I am just pointing out what i find to be troubling with the whole stats analytical or else arguement. I really dont think its that crazy to understand. but mayne OMC was right Facts, not stats. An opinion that isn't based to any extent on facts and rational logic is worthless. facts was not the word used. it was stats. Cuse was the one who asked everyone else to find stats (stats that are probably impossible to get) for him to back up his claim. On top of it, unless I've missed something, he has yet to provide one piece of support for his argument, other than that it's his opinion. Maybe I could actually be swayed to buy into it (doubt it, but maybe) if there was any sort of support. part of this whole thing was me wrapping my head around the sabermetric arguement. I am not really trying to sway anyone, more thinking this through "with a lil help from my friends". but abuck asserted the idea that unless your opinion is based on stats, it isnt worth the time or effort to put forth. I dont deny Cuse's arguement against Prior was unjustified, and even taht he was wrong on Prior. Hell, like the majority here, I think they really shold have tried to get Prior back, and I will miss him. but, if you look back, none of that is what I was arguing for. just the stats and opinoins part. I think there is more to baseball then stats tell. the more I see the saber-arguement, the more I believe this.

it quite fine. i feel the same way. say, on my way to work I drive by a street called "Davern". I have to laugh, especially the whole Davhern/daveharm thing here on NSBB..

no, I am simply pointing out that if you base all your opinoins on stats, and keep saying that those types of opinoins are the only ones that can be made, you cannot have an opinoin (or at least one that has any meat to it) on an issue that has no stats to validate or deny it. it really has nothing to do with Mark Prior. I am just pointing out what i find to be troubling with the whole stats analytical or else arguement. I really dont think its that crazy to understand. but mayne OMC was right Facts, not stats. An opinion that isn't based to any extent on facts and rational logic is worthless. facts was not the word used. it was stats.

no, I am simply pointing out that if you base all your opinoins on stats, and keep saying that those types of opinoins are the only ones that can be made, you cannot have an opinoin (or at least one that has any meat to it) on an issue that has no stats to validate or deny it. it really has nothing to do with Mark Prior. I am just pointing out what i find to be troubling with the whole stats analytical or else arguement. I really dont think its that crazy to understand. but mayne OMC was right

I admire your desire to be friendly and civil with your antagonists, but with certain people on this board it's a losing effort to attempt to do so. I think we all do a pretty good job as antagonists here...lol I admire your desire to be friendly and civil with your antagonists, but with certain people on this board it's a losing effort to attempt to do so. How is anyone antagonizing him? He's making what might be the most ridiculous statements ever posted on this board (and that's saying something, Mr. It was just a pocketknife). no, they arent ridiculous. and I have no idea about the Mr It or pocketknife references. stats, I presume? or do I need to have a beer with you too sometime?? :P Probably a good idea. I said hi to him on the street once and he punched me in the gut and stole my wallet. yea, I would have stolen your wallet as well...

I am saying that because you claim your opinoins are based entirely apon stats, you have no meaningful opinion on wether or not his experience as a high school coach can give him any insight on the psyche of a major league pitcher. he may be wrong about Mark Prior with guys on base, but I dont think your able to invalidate his opinion. I'd love to sit down and have a beer with you sometime abuck. you and I could have some serious conversations, my fear is that they would just end up in a brawl, which I certainly wouldnt want.

sorry abuck, this is what I was arguing you dont have an opinion on:

and in fact, this leads to the idea that "choke artists" cannot exist at the major league level, just as "clutch" does not? I wasn't going to mention that cause I didn't want to take the thread another 25 page, but that's correct. If there are people out there that simply freeze under the pressure of hitting in a big spot, they'd have never made it through the minors to begin with. well, I wasnt trying to pin you down, just asking honestly. thanks...I think it has merit.

and in fact, this leads to the idea that "choke artists" cannot exist at the major league level, just as "clutch" does not?

Don't hold your breath for a serious response to this question from some of the people on this board. what kind of response do you expect? it's ridiculous. he's asking for a stat that doesn't exist. no one said stats explain everything about the world and noone said they "base everything on stats." it's like he's asking for statistical analysis of love or hunger or something. yup. which is why I find the "beat down Cuse's opinion with the stats" arguement facetious.

you said: and so i can only ask what stats prove that his evaluation on the psyche of a player that he has never met means nothing.... edit : grammar Like, baseball stats? look, and I am asking this generally, if you base everything on stats, how can you have an opinoin on something that isnt quantifiable with stats? if you can use stats to say its good or bad, you cant have a truly objective opinion when statistics dont exist on a subject. this is the biggest problem I have pure statistcal analysis.

you said: and so i can only ask what stats prove that his evaluation on the psyche of a player that he has never met means nothing.... edit : grammar

you said: and so i can only ask what stats prove that he his evaluation on the psyche of a player he has never met means nothing....

his experience as a high school baseball coach gives his opinion as to the psyche of a professional player he's never met respect? not from me. your experience as a baseball fan doenst qualify you to "prove him wrong" with statistics either. well, that makes no sense. i've never claimed my experience as a baseball fan proves him wrong. the stats, which have nothing to do with me, do a fine job of that. you know what, your right it was quite a stretch, but my point remains, what stat proves him being a high school coach gives him no opinoin to player evaluation? I am not even remotely aware of such a stat. granted I learn alot from reading posts from the likes of Meph and even you, but I have yet to see such a stat..