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most scouting reports that I've read dont say this, but he does seem to have happy feet. He has bad footwork, a slow drop back, and almost no mobility whatsoever. I'm willing to bet the guy never had to face off against a quality pass rusher during his time at Delaware. I like his frame and his arm, but I just don't get why everyone thinks the guy is going to be a first day (first two rounds now!) pick. yea, I wouldnt say the first 2 rounds either, but I wouldnt mind looking at him in the 3rd-4th, even tho I doubt he would drop that far.

most scouting reports that I've read dont say this, but he does seem to have happy feet.

Ryan Clady. And I'm with Outshined on the overrating of Flacco. He's not worth the 14th pick in the draft. And the Bears better not be trading down for him with a potential franchise LT on the board. I love Clady too. I would take either Clady or Phillips. Phillips would still allow you to hunt for a OT in the 2nd, if you take Clady, you pretty much have to wait until rd 3-4 for a S. I would draft one of Flacco/Henne/Kid from Oregon in Rd 3, but not sooner. Brennan is about the only one who would likely be there, tho.

I like him too.

ouch. is he worth it? he's getting up there in years isnt he??

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that the Bears should spend a first rounder trying to get a franchise back. I'm saying there is value at RB in this draft and the Bears currently have poor running backs. I wouldn't say that Oakland had an elite rushing attack. I also think it's pretty obvious that we are not in agreement regarding Benson's talent level. Jacobs a possible edge over Benson? Jacobs is everything Benson wishes he could be but isn't. Jamal Lewis isn't as talented as Benson? Lewis is old, but Benson will never ever be as good as Jamal Lewis is. Draft Position =/= Talent. Out of backs with more than 75 carries last year, Benson ranked 49 out of 56. I understand the position that RB's are more a product of circumstance but getting a good back can improve the running game. I don't think we're likely to agree about this. Where did Peterson rank? Also, fyi, Oakland was top 5-7 in YPC. I agree the biggest disagreement we are having is over Benson's talent level. I agree that draft position =/= talent. But I think most Bears fans conceeded that Benson was a better back than Thomas Jones after 2006. How did he go from better than TJ to one of the worst in the league talent wise? He has started for 1 season and probably barely has a full seasons worth of NFL carries in his career. It's too soon to give up on him. Drafting a RB this year, anywhere, means the Bears are giving up on Cedric, as Wolfe and Peterson are cheap and aren't going anywhere either because of versatility. I had so many arguments with you guys last year because I thought people were just dismissing jones as a mediocre back and they though benson would be a an automatic upgrade production wise. Cedric didnt lose talent, the offensive line gained age, injuries, and overall badness. I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here. Most people, myself included, considered Jones to be a slightly above average running back running behind a good offensive line. Jones really hasn't done anything to prove me wrong. Speaking for myself, I figured since Benson ran similarly well behind the same line, there wouldn't be much, if any, drop off in production. The line got a lot worse and Benson isn't exactly the kind of back that is going to make something out of nothing. We all saw the results. Would Jones have preformed better under the same circumstances? I'm not sure but he probably couldn't have done much worse. he did essentually have the same situation with the Jets, and hasnt done any better then Benson. Granted, he didnt get hurt like Benson, but his #'s weren't eye-popping in comparison. Benson is fine. he needs compitition to motivate him, but thats cool. there are plenty of good backs in this draft to provide some. Jones: http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/profile?id=JON755755 Benson: http://www.nfl.com/players/cedricbenson/profile?id=BEN508718 Jones is only slightly better in ave, while Benson is better in TD's

I can defintely see your point, but dont you think navy blue looks better on him ;)

let's hope so. keep the football talk here. :( for once in my life I had the second highest post count on a msg board

does this thread spell the end of WCFB??

Yeah that is going to pretty awesome. i was driving home and wondered the same thing. go here, there are a bunch of videos on scroll on the right side of the website: http://wcco.com/ I cant wait

I guess I was hard on the Gophers. Looks as if Brewster did prety well:

University of Minnesota? they're still trying to figure who they can get to replace Maroney and Barber, and what this thing called "Defense" is.

So what the heck DO you want us to talk about? Can't talk about Eli being good, because he's not. Can't talk about the Giants D being good, because they were only good last night. Can't talk about Belidick being a dick, because everyone knows this already. Perhaps we should talk about Jeff Feagles? Brandon Jacobs, plz. Favre's retirement plz ;) One more year then turn it over to Rodgers. ' awesome, cant wait to beat him 2 more times \:D/

So what the heck DO you want us to talk about? Can't talk about Eli being good, because he's not. Can't talk about the Giants D being good, because they were only good last night. Can't talk about Belidick being a dick, because everyone knows this already. Perhaps we should talk about Jeff Feagles? Brandon Jacobs, plz. Favre's retirement plz ;)

So what the heck DO you want us to talk about? Can't talk about Eli being good, because he's not. Can't talk about the Giants D being good, because they were only good last night. Can't talk about Belidick being a dick, because everyone knows this already. uh yeah we can. they gave up 38 points to new england the first time, and 14 the second time. what'd they do different? why'd the patriots struggle more to pass protect last night than in any other game this year? why'd belichick go for it on 4th and 18, but not go for it on a couple of 4th and shorts? i can think of 100 more topics more interesting than "bill belichick is a dick," which will result in 50 different people saying "i agree, what a baby" or "i'm glad he lost, he has no class" and nobody disagreeing with the sentiment. if you dont want to discuss it, then why reply? as for Bellichek's game-calling, does anyone else think it could be a result of his own arrogance? Trying to prove he could win w/o cheating?

ANY QB gets rattled when he gets hit repeatedly, some to lesser extents

um..ok

Yeah, Belichick was already a good ways up the tunnel before the final snap was made. That's what people were upset about it. And yup, it's just another thing to add on the long list of Belichick's classless behavior. It just makes it even harder for people who aren't fans of the Patriots to root for them in any game. he is the classic example of arrogance from intelligence

wait a second, did Bellichek leave the field before the final snap? I didnt think he did. If that was the case, that woud be classless. It hought all the humbugh was about him shaking hands before the game was over. and, even if it was classless, so what? this has been the MO of the guy since day one, and his players dont seem to be too bothered by it

He definitely couldn't have been confused. As he walked out to shake Coughlin's hand, Mike Carey stood in front of him - stopping him - and told him the game wasn't over yet. At that point, Belichick either said screw you to Carey or just ignored him. Either way it shows a lack of class. There's no excuse for the Pats to not show a little respect (for the first time ever) and stay on the field for one more second. I disagree and see Mizzou's point. He obvioulsy thought the gmae was over, and by the time he made it all the way across the field, why turn around? just shake the mans hand let the game be over.

Some Ole Miss chant, I think. Correct, it's a cheer/chant that we do. I quit doing it (except at the start of each football game) at about my third or fourth football game my freshman year. It gets real old. It's usually led at the start of each football game by a celebrity. Snoop probably did the best one. congrates OMC, your boy gotta ring

man that one kinda burned, and I'm not even sure why. congrates NY. and does this spell the end of the Patriot Dynasty??

considering what they got for santana, I wouldnt be so sure

I actually like the rising sun (if thats what your referring to)

+1 although I like the spin on the japanese sun