Vanilla Ice
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Oh no, a 24 year old second baseman with a career minor league OPS of under 800.
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This
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Sure, it's not ideal. But high payroll teams can easily get away with it and succeed. Except we don't have 8-10 million dollars to pay him, especially with him not being great this year.
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Gorzellany has 2.82 FIP in a small sample size this season
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Can people set aside the player-crushes and look at this realistically for a second? Realistically it's ridiculous to pretend not offering arbitration was a good idea. If he accepts, we have a good reliever. If he doesn't, we get 2 draft picks. The downside is where? 8 million dollars that we don't have
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The morons going to send Jackson and Fox to the Pirates for these 2 pieces of crap, isnt he? Goony mentioned earlier in the thread that the Fox for a reliever rumor was brought up by a caller. And who brought up Jackson?
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Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea? I do. I hated it too, he should have offered arbitration. Ceda has not pitched at all this year and Gregg has been pretty good for us, though. It was a stupid idea that turned out OK. So, we have 3 trades his entire tenure. Two that fit the bill of overpaying for a major league part. Ceda struggling/needing surgery was pretty predictable. He's had multiple shoulder injuries, is a fatty and had major work ethic concerns. Yeah, I am defending Hendry in the entire thread. He should probably have gotten more value for Ceda (like you said), but he certainly got the better end of the trade, so far.
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Oh come on, Aardsma hasn't been good until the very end of 2008 and in 2009. The Red Sox and White Sox both gave up on him, too.
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How many times has he traded for Grabow? He gave up a draft pick when going after Latroy Hawkins. He usually signs free agent relievers, he hasn't had to trade for many. But just because he didn't overspend on Harden I'm supposed to feel confident he won't do that with a freaking reliever he doesn't need? Acquiring him is overpaying. It's up to Hendry to prove he won't overpay. I don't have to assume he'll do the right thing. Nobody is saying he is good at signing people. Nobody. I don't know why you keep bringing his screwups in that arena up. He has over payed twice ever in trades when acquiring a major league player. Only one didn't turn out well. He is pretty good at not overpaying in trades. I don't see how this is hard to understand.
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Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea? I do. I hated it too, he should have offered arbitration. Ceda has not pitched at all this year and Gregg has been pretty good for us, though. It was a stupid idea that turned out OK. So, we have 3 trades his entire tenure. Two that fit the bill of overpaying for a major league part.
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Why not? He's an idiot. And he does it all the time. He doesn't need a freaking LH reliever yet we all know that when he gets his mind set on something he will get it and overpay for it. How many times has he overpayed in terms of prospects in trades? 2 or 3? Gregg (Ceda has been hurt all season and Gregg has been pretty good) Wuertz (completely indefensible) Pierre (Even that got us Donaldson who was the second piece in the Harden trade, but I won't try to justify this trade) His entire MO is to overpay for everything. I will worry about him overpaying every time he talks to another team. It's what he does. How many times has he given up a good prospect for somebody like Grabow or overpayed in trades at all? You've never answered that.
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There is no talk of it
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You should be able to get better value than Gregg for Ceda but Hendry bailed on Ceda at the right time. Now Hendry better offer arbitration to Gregg this offseason. I'm with you on the Ceda part
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Why not? He's an idiot. And he does it all the time. He doesn't need a freaking LH reliever yet we all know that when he gets his mind set on something he will get it and overpay for it. How many times has he overpayed in terms of prospects in trades? 2 or 3? Gregg (Ceda has been hurt all season and Gregg has been pretty good) Wuertz (completely indefensible) Pierre (Even that got us Donaldson who was the second piece in the Harden trade, but I won't try to justify this trade)
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Are you really judging a prospects-for-big leaguer trade 6 months after the trade? Especially when the 3 prospects have performed rather well in the minors? Are you really saying you can't criticize a trade of a player when the team went out and replaced said player with Aaron Freaking Miles? This. Also, not offering arbitration to Kerry Wood to get the draft picks, Ceda for Gregg (even though Gregg has gotten somewhat better), Izturis, Ordonez, Bynum, Neifi, severely overpaying for Aaron Miles when you could have paid 1/10th as much for the same talent, trading Eyre instead of Howry, trading Wuertz for nothing, not giving Vizcaino a fair chance, not firing Dusty, Soriano's albatross of a contract.... need I go on? Yes, he brought Harden, Lee, Nomar, Aram, Lee, Lilly here. I'm not going to say he hasn't made good moves, because he has, but his bad moves outnumber his good ones. Don't forget Wuertz for a bag of crap. He didn't. The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.
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Are you really judging a prospects-for-big leaguer trade 6 months after the trade? Especially when the 3 prospects have performed rather well in the minors? Are you really saying you can't criticize a trade of a player when the team went out and replaced said player with Aaron Freaking Miles? This. Also, not offering arbitration to Kerry Wood to get the draft picks, Ceda for Gregg (even though Gregg has gotten somewhat better), Izturis, Ordonez, Bynum, Neifi, severely overpaying for Aaron Miles when you could have paid 1/10th as much for the same talent, trading Eyre instead of Howry, trading Wuertz for nothing, not giving Vizcaino a fair chance, not firing Dusty, Soriano's albatross of a contract.... need I go on? Yes, he brought Harden, Lee, Nomar, Aram, Lee, Lilly here. I'm not going to say he hasn't made good moves, because he has, but his bad moves outnumber his good ones. OK, he is awful signing players to contracts, but he is pretty good at trading for players. You started by saying that he makes more bad-to-awful trades than good trades and switched it to saying he makes more bad moves than good moves.
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Are you really judging a prospects-for-big leaguer trade 6 months after the trade? Especially when the 3 prospects have performed rather well in the minors? I think it's reasonable to do so. This team was built to win now, and whatever comes of that trade in the future, it definitely hurt us in the present. Hendry thought he could replace most of Derosa's production with a Fontenot/Miles platoon, and he was sorely mistaken. Even if this is true (and that trade is defensible to me), the DeRosa trade is completely different. Hendry was selling a major league part for minor league prospects. Most of his trades have been trading prospects (who mostly have busted) for major league players. This is the kind of trade he will be making for Grabow. I wouldn't worry about him overpaying.
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Are you really judging a prospects-for-big leaguer trade 6 months after the trade? Especially when the 3 prospects have performed rather well in the minors? Are you really saying you can't criticize a trade of a player when the team went out and replaced said player with Aaron Freaking Miles? None of us have said that Hendry is good on the FA market. He is good on the trade market, though.
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Are you really judging a prospects-for-big leaguer trade 6 months after the trade? Especially when the 3 prospects have performed rather well in the minors? Stevens, Gaub, and Archer have all been great this season. I would have liked to keep DeRosa, but the guys we got have been plenty useful.
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I'd take out Theriot in an inning or two and give him some rest. Maybe bring in Blanco at SS, Baker at 3rd and Fox at C.
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guh....come on. i'm in a good mood and you bring this. Vitters for Grabow? Name the last time Hendry traded a TOP prospect during the season? I mean someon of Vitters ability. Hate on Hendry if you want, but he does do trades very solid. Hendry has made some very good trades, but he's made more bad-to-awful ones. Hendry is at his best near the trading deadline. He has made 1 or 2 trades (of any significance) that haven't worked out. The Pierre trade was his only bad one that I can think of.
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The Astros suck
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I'll be shocked if we give up one of our top-10 prospects