But not as many as you think because he'd hit significantly less, and of course some of his runs just change to RBI because of where he is in the batting order. There's a lot of give and take here, and batting order can be optimized, but it just doesn't mean as much as people think. It should always be about getting the best players at each position, and then optimizing it after that though. That's what people mean when they say that leadoff hitter isn't a position. Of course someone has to hit first. If you get the best players for your resources or whatever at C, SS, 2B, 1B, 3B, CF, LF, RF and then make sure that someone that sucks doesn't get a ton of plate appearances at the top, you'll be much better off than teams that get fixated on things that don't matter - and try and find certain traits on the free agent or trade market instead of finding wins through good value (offense+defense) positional upgrades.