They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons. When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you? First of all, Cards is really stupid. Second of all, There's not one of us who wouldn't have wanted the Cards' success this year. The playoffs are a crapshoot, losing in them doesn't make you inferior, especially coming from a fan of a team who missed the playoffs. Thirdly, I'm pretty sure the Walker deal worked out fine for them. They got him for basically nothing, and at a discount, and now I don't think they have to pay his buyout since he retired. Sounds like a sweet deal to me. I second every part of this. BTW, I highly doubt Backtobanks is a Cards fan... :wink: He's just acknowledging, as most of us with a brain do, that the Cards have run their organization far better than the Cubs have the last few years (er, always). I certainly am not a Cards fan. I've been a Cubs fan since 1954 (hence the name) and I am acknowledging that I respect teams that are contenders year in and year out while the Cubs struggle with a larger budget and a bigger fan base. When all of the discussion about Giles started, I wrote that I could see him going to the Cards because he was the kind of player that would fit in with the team. I hope the rumors are false and if he is coming to the midwest, let's make it the Cubs.