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I think there were decent offers early on, but after everybody traded top prospects in other deals there wasn't as much to offer.
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I know the "baseball is just a business" rhetoric, but unless they extend Contreras, they aren't helping the morale of the other players. Big market team with a small market mentality.
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Trade deadline day was more fun when we were actually involved.
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It seems like there's a lot of catching competition for Contreras at the deadline. Murphy, Vasquez, Narvaez, have all been mentioned.
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The Cardinals will find a way in the future with trading away some of their top prospects simply because they're the Cardinals. Somehow these two low-to-middle size payroll teams (Cards & Brewers) seem to stay competitive while we have to go into 3-4 year rebuilds after becoming competitive.
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From MLBTR: The Tigers have informed rival teams they’re willing to consider trade offers on breakout starter Tarik Skubal, report Ken Rosenthal and Cody Stavenhagen of the Athletic. 25 yr. old lefty starter. I'm sure he would cost quite a bit, but it might be worth looking into.
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Somebody on MLBTV came up with this deal: Campusano, Hosmer, Kim, Wood, and Zavala for Contreras. (The trade values are almost equivalent).
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I would do awful things for either of James Wood or Luis Campusano. Those awful things being trades of Contreras or Happ respectively. The Padres have basically been begging people to take Hosmer. Hosmer helps with the 1B situation plus we get a top prospect (or two) in the deal.
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Sure there's 47 playoff spots available for the 13 teams during a 162 game season plus a draft lottery now, but winning baseball games is so far away from the Cubs that it seems odd to be even looking at Smith? I would assume that he would be a throw-in in another deal. I don't think he would be bad for a "change of scenery" flyer.
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I don't trust Ricketts to pay Soto, let alone the rest of the team.
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Using MLBTV, "equivalent" value for Soto would be Davis, Crow-Armstrong, Hernandez, Hoerner, Kilian, Morel, Steele, Suzuki, and Triantos. Talk about rebuilding your team and your system in one deal. :lol:
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From MLBTR: Could Lucas Giolito Be This Year’s José Berríos? He would cost quite a bit, but he would certainly solidify the rotation.
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I totally agree. It's time to spend a little money and build a decent team for 2023, Trade a few of those very young prospects for Castillo, sign Willson to an extension, keep Happ, and suddenly you have a decent team. Castillo, Stroman, Hendricks, Thompson, Steele, Kilian, and Alzolay make for a very good and deep rotation. If Davis and Madrigal can be healthy enough to play, the lineup will be solid. ??? That’s literally the same team as currently constructed, plus Castillo. It's the same except for a vastly improved rotation, a solid 2B and OF, which takes it from a 64-win team to an 85-win team. Also signing Musgrove would easily make us division favorites.
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I totally agree. It's time to spend a little money and build a decent team for 2023, Trade a few of those very young prospects for Castillo, sign Willson to an extension, keep Happ, and suddenly you have a decent team. Castillo, Stroman, Hendricks, Thompson, Steele, Kilian, and Alzolay make for a very good and deep rotation. If Davis and Madrigal can be healthy enough to play, the lineup will be solid.
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Trading Happ along with Contreras, et. al. just pushes back the chance of having a seriously competitive team. We're putting a lot of faith in young players and prospects without much of a ML track record to man the 2023 roster. If we're talking about 2023 being another "developmental" year with hopes of being competitive in 2024, then go ahead and trade Happ. I just don't think making more holes on the ML team is the way to go unless Ricketts is going to spend like crazy and that doesn't seem likely.
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A really cheap, change of scenery, LH power bat could be Dom Smith. He's basically mentioned as a throw in on any deal with the Mets involved.
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If you're talking about us trading prospects for pitchers, then there's a problem. The issue is the willingness of other teams to part with the players. How often have you seen any good, established, pre-arbitration pitchers being traded for prospects? I'm sure there's been some, but I can't think of any right now. If you're suggesting that the Cubs should prioritize getting MLB-ready (or established) pitching in return for Willson, Robertson, etc., then I somewhat agree. I'm hoping for the maximum amount of talent in return. I'd prefer for that talent to be on the pitching side, if possible. That is what I was talking about, since Contreras and Robertson seem sure to be traded. Names like Matt Allen (Mets), Hunter Brown (Astros), Medina, Gil, and Waldichuk (Yankees), Paddack (Twins), and Snell, Lamet, and Weathers (Padres) have all been kicked around as being available in the right deal.
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Any trades made this season (and offseason) have to prioritize receiving pitching in return. It's more fun dreaming about signing (or receiving) offensive players, but pitching is the key to a playoff spot.
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Waldichuk + Gil + Cabrera for Happ Quantril + Rosario for Contreras
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It's a moot point, he's got 3 1/2 years left on his contract and Ricketts is "broke". you mean "mute point" https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=joey+saying+%22moo+point%22&&view=detail&mid=35D11A6585AEDD264B9D35D11A6585AEDD264B9D&&FORM=VDRVRV
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In any or all of the trades the Cubs make, starting pitching has to be the priority. Our system is woefully weak in pitching while offensive position players are easier to acquire.
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It's a moot point, he's got 3 1/2 years left on his contract and Ricketts is "broke".
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Hoyer has gone from "aim for 82 wins and hope for the best" to "aim for 62 wins and hope for the best".
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What's this "starting pitching" you speak of?
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Not sure I agree with the floor, especially for 2023+. He's 32 next year, lost a MPH on EVs, stopped hitting HRs, isn't really a CF anymore, and the x stats all seem to say this is Ortega. It's also still early but Hill, Mervis, Roederer, Weber, and Young are all hitting well in the upper minors right now and could have some meaty samples by the end of July. If things are going well and the Yankees or Phillies or Giants (if Calhoun goes nowhere) are looking for super cheap LHH OF, a (ideally seemingly) random pitcher with some velocity and the roster spot might be meaningful enough? Without HRs, it might be alot easier for someone like Hill or Roederer to work their way up? Something like that Phillies might be interested in Ortega now with Harper out.