I might be the only one, but I'm firmly entrenched in the Lieber camp. He's a dramatic improvement over Dempster or Marquis. I don't know about dramatic, I would say marginal improvement. However I would rather they stay away and give the kids a shot. Eh, I think Lieber's a pretty safe bet to be league average. Dempster, on the other hand, is just about a guarantee to be well below average.