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He is not worth a roster spot. Any use of Jose Macias is a misuse of funds, at-bats, and playing time. Fontenot would be more useful and much cheaper.

Guzman has been around for awhile now. He was slated to come up and take Priors spot in 2003 and only didn't because he got injured. I don't understand why you would want him to "go away." What's the harm in him hanging around?

I'm not one of those people but I'd like to answer anyway... I'd say, "See Dusty, you fool. That's what you get when you don't force a player into a situation in which he isn't equipped to handle". Dusty is so stubborn within the last two years he has ruined two different players by forcing them into situations they couldn't handle. He keeps trying to pound that square peg into a round hole. No matter how much everyone else can see it ain't going to fit he keeps pounding away. Hawkins came over with the rep of being a very good setup man but that he couldn't close so lets force him into that closer role and even when it's obvious to a 3rd grader it isn't working lets do it some more. Same thing with batting Patterson leadoff and then doing it over and over and over. Then have about 8 different people telling him what to do at the same time all the while he's trying to face major league hitting and playing defense, running the bases. He was clearly overloaded last year by mid-season and NO ONE is going to tell me the decline of Corey Patterson is NOT the fault of Dusty Baker! The man is a menace in the dugout and I feel sorry for Murton and Cedeno if they have one bad game. I wonder just how long it will take Dusty to ruin them also. Once we trade Walker for a bag of used balls maybe Hendry can bring back Delino DeShields and then Baker can bench Cedeno and Murton, Ramirez will pull his groin in the WBC and then they can bring Lenny Harris back to play 3rd. Dusty would have an orgasm with DeShields at 2nd, Neifi at SS, Harris at 3rd and then he can send out the French Connection to the outfield. (Marquis, Pierre, and Jacque) When the hell will the madness end? :x I know there was no way Patterson could return to this dugout with this group of coaches and the manager. We got rid of the wrong half of the problem though. Oh, and if he doesn't do well in Baltimore? It's still Dusty's fault for screwing him up beyond repair. While I agree with your "Dusty has no clue" idea, I'm not sure many other manager's would have handled him any better. Rotoworld has said that the Orioles intend to bat him second in the order. Apparently they don't have a clue either. I think the organization and Dusty are partly responsible for Corey's terrible slide, I think it ultimately comes down to Corey. For whatever reason he was unable to acheive continued success with the Chubbs in the big leagues. My problem with blaming the organization, is that if Corey does well in Baltimore, I am in no way ready to praise their ridiculous organization for saving Corey. I don't understand why everyone makes this so complicated. Corey couldn't put the bat on the ball and couldn't recognize a hittable pitch. It doesn't matter where he hit in the order.

yea, in a couple years we can trade him to the O's for prospects.

not by much and certainly not in terms of discussing prospect potential.

eckstein is better than hairston?

The one early in his career? Silly J.D. Drew. That's certainly up there on my list. My favorite moment, though, would be when he hit the wind-blown game-tying HR late in a game against the Pirates and then the walkoff HR in the 12th inning in mid-September of 2004. That was incredible. loved to watch him run. I was at the 2003 opener - all I remember is cold.

people are emotionally vested in their teams players. this trade, either direction, is likely to be pretty meaningless.

Well, you've made the point for me. He had no leverage. At all. Thus, it makes more sense to gamble into creating some leverage through 1) better play at the ML level; 2) better play at AAA; or 3) need created though injury in ST or the first part of the season. Negotiating is all about leverage. Trading players without any is just stupid when you know a player has talent (e.g. Corey). If it were some clown like Macias, when you are unlikely to get anything more than you've seen over his stay with the Cubs, then the likelihood of gaining leverage is low if not non-existent. But, that isn't the case with Corey. It is bad negotiating, pure and simple. It is always easier to make comments like this after the fact. Why, pray tell, is that the case? I have been anticipating this lackluster move (as have many) since October. Hendry moved Sammy at his lowest value (and, in fact, contributed to lowering his value). Hendry is more interested in a clean clubhouse rather than addressing messes that he had his hand in manufacturing. Don't try to diminish my point by making me appear as if I am only preying on hindsight. It doesn't take a clariavoyant or baseball executive to derive the opinion that this was a trade in which Hendry would be hard pressed to get less value at a later date. I am 100% certain that Hendry at some level decided to move Patterson prior to the Convention so as not to repeat the 05 Sosa debacle. His moves regularly have a tinge of panic to them as of late. When should we have moved Corey then? Didn't I already address this? No, he wasn't. He made a poor trade because he is shortsighted. Well, since the season ended there has be NO demand for Corey, he got what he could. Why do you think demand would have increased for a completely undiscipled ball player? You feel there was value to get, but I'm not sure why. I'm sure this conversation will happen again when Walker is launched for nothing. There is NO demand for these players. Please show me where there is any demand for either player other than just assumptions. Walker clearly has more value to the Cubs than Patterson would have. Therefore, any trade of Walker for nothing is completely indefensible. There really is no comparison between the two.

his inside the park homerun that rolled under the mats in right field. that summed up his skills pretty well.

30 doubles is at least somwhat promising. they probably got him to block eric - you know the whole pattersons versus cubs thing. I wonder is bbs is now byebyewood - should be his next logical target, eh? Not that he would know logic if it bit him in the ass. why does everyone write "I wish you well Corey." Is this a goodbye card from Hallmark? Frankly, I don't really care how he does though I doubt he will do well.

What's wrong with DePodesta? Failed to win a world series in one full year? On the flip-side, what did DePo do that makes him so valuable? He had one year! How could you possibly judge him in one year? He can stand pretty proudly on his time with the A's however.

Watching him pitch, it's not completely him not throwing strikes. It's umpires not knowing how to judge a ball that moves that much. When it hits the front of the plate at the guy's belt and is at his ankles as it crosses the back of it it's tough to call. Once umps get a feel for his pitches (gets Maddux-like calls) he'll be set. alas, this can change game to game. I've watched enough Zito to know the umps are never too consistent.

What's wrong with DePodesta? Failed to win a world series in one full year?

That has to be a record. Adam dunn doesnt strike out at all by comparison! so, assuming a k every fourth plate appearance means roughly 160,000 plate appearances per year, so hitting .212, thats about 35,000 hits per year - definitely a record.

I have a sad feeling both would be run out of town by the chicago media anyway, just like in LA. Theo might have a chance since he has a championship at least.

nobody said soriano's potential, they said soriano's production in Texas, which is bloated by a stadium closer to coors than wrigley. I wouldn't want soriano or patterson on my team.

no he wouldn't Didn't say he would. Said he could. oh ok. then no he couldn't. Why not? why not? Because if anyone actually thought he could put up Soriano numbers anywhere, why would the cubs trade him? Texas isn't that much of a difference than Wrigley. yes, it is, and yes he could.

that wasn't a touchdown?

This year when Villinova does it unless the refs decide to take another game away from them. :D Villanova isn't in the Big Ten - why are we discussing them here? We need a Mod!

Yeah, that's what I figured. Sucks. Hopefully he can get his surgery soon and be ready to go by the start of next season. Man, I got him in a keeper league. He was a lock to be kept before, but depending on how long's he's out, I may have to drop him. He should be back long before next season unless the previous injury complicates things.

well, good game so far. nice to see both teams over 60 yards of offense in the first half. :roll: which reminds me of my joe buck quote of the day: "The Giants have 59 yards of offense in the first half. They'll need to get something going to win this game." Troy, "uh, yeah."

is there anything to like about the steelers?

Henry is out for the game. I don't think Palmer is coming back but they are doing an MRI right now. Hendry makes a better Nose Tackle than WR. but he's a better WR than GM

I agree. He was a good starter before Palmer came, which is why I didn't understand the announcers acting like losing Palmer was a death blow It definitely looks like losing Palmer is going to cost them...not. Kitna looks like he has been doing this all season. I like Kitna but Palmer is clearly better. let me put it this way, they had little chance to beat indy with palmer, no chance with kitna.