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Since Illinois won the first game, I'd call it a push. not by a long shot, the ej thing would overshadow 8 consecutive sweeps. oh well, i should be used to my teams getting beaten without retribution by now. Will it make you feel better when Sampson has IU on probation in a couple years? Why do you have to be such a sore loser? It was an ugly game on all sides, and IU pulled out a win. UI won one, IU won one, hopefully they will meet again in the BTT. Just because IU won you have to pull out this "well you'll be on probation" garbage with no evidence of any violations at IU. Man up. I've been saying the probation thing since before the season started, sorry. And because he was dirty at his last job, and the was being looked into. I doubt he has changed, and I really have no idea why Indiana hired him. It has nothing to do with the game today. True-but the NCAA decided it was minor violations, and they only decided to make an example of Sampson because he was the head of the ethics committee. It isn't anything like Huggins or Calipari or Harrick or the other dozen coaches you could name that had major violations. Those violations weren't enough to put anybody on probation, so it's not likely he's going to commit even worse violations now that he's gone through all the public humiliation and everything else.

Well, if Sampson is a bad coach, then Davis must have been worse than Dusty-because IU played much worse than this with a more talented squad last year. That may well be. It doesn't make Sampson any better, though. I guess I don't see the huge talent on this IU squad-D.J. is a great player, Wilmont is great at times, Calloway and Bassett are good but erratic, and everybody else are really role players. The talent level certainly doesn't suggest a 17-6 record to me.

Since Illinois won the first game, I'd call it a push. not by a long shot, the ej thing would overshadow 8 consecutive sweeps. oh well, i should be used to my teams getting beaten without retribution by now. Will it make you feel better when Sampson has IU on probation in a couple years? Teams like Memphis have a much better chance of going on probation than IU does-there are plenty of coaches who have committed worse violations than Sampson's violations (not excusing it at all-he did commit a violation, and he has to own up to that mistake, but that doesn't automatically mean that he'll make that mistake again).

Well, if Sampson is a bad coach, then Davis must have been worse than Dusty-because IU played much worse than this with a more talented squad last year.

Another good game to both teams-maybe the two teams can meet again in the Big 10 tourney-if they do, I'm sure it will be another fantastic matchup.

Well, even if Indiana wins this game it will just be a home and home split with Illinois, so IU didn't "own" UI this year.

He scares the crap out of me, but that was a bad shot. He's still the guy to watch here. why would he scare you? he's not good. He might not be, but he was hot in the 1st half-even while very streaky, he's still scary.

Should have been a no call. No harm though he missed the freebie. Lets get a good look here. Yeah, now that I think about it, a no-call would be a slightly better call-as you said though, it didn't matter with the miss of the free throw.

I'm not sure why either-but in college basketball, the rule seems to be that if the offensive player makes some move to try to slide by the defender and contact is made that it will be called blocking, and that's what happened there.

How could IU miss that bunny to take the lead!

Yeah he really is. Man D.J. White is tough. I hate that stupid finger thing he does though. Yeah, White has really gotten better throughout the season this year, and more like what we thought he would be after his great freshamn year. I.U. fans are just praying that he doesn't leave for the NBA after this year because him leaving is the difference between a decent and a good/great team next year.

Maybe, but if he does well he won't need to be gone-he's certainly proven before that he can do well, just as he's proven he can do horribly. Instead of automatically trying to get rid of him, why not hope he can pitch well first?

Well, that didn't take long. I really thought Kentucky fans whined and made excuses a lot, but since this EJ thing, Illinois fans are definitely giving them a run for their money. your right, they are calling white and pruitt exactly the same. :roll: Did they call them the same at Illinois? Not really-the free throw disparity in this game is not big at all.

It makes sense if you think about it though. If he falls past 2 because of Adrian Peterson, a lot of the teams in the 3-9 ranges aren't looking to draft quarterbacks. Maybe Minnesota at 7, but from what I've heard, Cleveland won't be taking one, and neither will Tampa Bay. Arizona doesn't need one, and Washington isn't in the market for one apparently. They should. Seems like Quinn would be a good fit for the offense too. i thought campbell looked okay enough to get a shot next year. I think he was talking about Tampa drafting Quinn, not Washington.

I was thinking this might actually speed up the healing process between Sammy and the Cubs-Sammy fans should actually like this move IMO. I have no problem with it either-the club gave him all the numbers available to wear, and he should be able to wear anything that the club makes available to him.

You would think advertisements would want to sell things-showing NCAA highlights that are painful for one half of the fans watching the game might not be the best (I'm watching UCLA/WVU, and they showed the highlight of Princeton beating UCLA as an ad!)

An interesting stat I think provided by Peter King-in the last 4 Super Bowls played in Miami, the losing team has ran a kick back for a touchdown. That's an amazing stat IMO.

Not to mention the fact that the Bears would be replacing him with another white QB-Rush's comments on this one just don't make any sense at all.

I believe I heard that Hank said he will be there. Plus, IMO Hank has too much class not to go especially after all the crap he went through to break it. Exactly-if Hank congratulates him and is a gentleman, that will just further exemplify the differences between the two men. I'm hoping Hank stays as classy as he seems normally.

The Pacers have absolutely had it with the officiating-and they are willing to tell you about it: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070210/SPORTS04/702100455/1004/SPORTS What I find interesting about this article is that the four people arguing last night were Carlisle, Foster, Armstrong, and O'Neal (after the game). Those are usually some of the coolest heads on the team, so that makes these comments very interesting to me, as opposed if they had come from somebody like Tinsley, who I would most likely dismiss as sour grapes. From what I have heard, the game was absolutely ridiculous last night. Carlisle got tossed in the 3rd quarter. The Pacers started making up the deficit in the 4th, and then the crazy fouls started coming. Foster got pulled down, and finally a whistle blew that everybody thought was for the Pacers-and it was somehow on Foster. DA tried to go over and calmly ask the official what happened (like you're supposed to be able and do) and he got T'd-and then Armstrong just went crazy and had to be restrained from going after the referee and he got ejected. Foster also picked up a T. The Nuggets shot 25 free throws in the 4th quarter-25!

I want to apologize right now for whatever the IU crowd does today-it will probably be ridiculous and silly, and I apologize for that (so everybody knows I'm not really defending it-it may not be wrong, but it will certainly be silly-I'm hoping what happens is not as big as the buildup right now). Second-my area is receiving UCLA-WVU instead of Indiana-Illinois today. That is crazy to me, because out of those 4 programs Indiana and Illinois are the closest two to my location and neither UCLA or WVU is in one of the two conferences that this region usually covers. Oh well-Raisin, I'm rooting for a UCLA blowout so they'll switch games.

Some more fascinating stuff from the same thing from Pat Forde, who was also there, and an Indystar writer who was invited to participate: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2758770 http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070209/SPORTS/702090443/1004/SPORTS Some of the information repeats, but each article has some new stuff in it. These are the kind of stories that I love to read but don't come out nearly often enough, the ones that everybody wonders about the selection process but nobody really knows for sure.

I would both agree and disagree with this statement. Most of the problem is his awful games, yes. If he could turn those into average games, he'd be a much better QB. At the same time, there are some games that aren't mentioned in his awful games or even close where Grossman had a low completion percentage. Minn (first game)-56% Seattle-54.8% Giants-60% Jets-50% STL-56.5% Det (second game)-55.5% Seattle-55.2% NOR-42.3% None of these games are mentioned under awful rex, but they are all poor completion percentage games (really with the exception of the Giants game, but I threw that one in there for comparison). Now, a QB can survive some poor completion percentage games-I'm not saying that he had bad games in all of these games, or even most of them (in fact, in a couple of them he was quite good). It's not just the awful games that are bringing his completion percentage way down though-his average games would have him around a 55-56 percent anyway, which needs to improve if he's not at all a threat to run either. Otherwise, defenses will do like the Colts did-rush only 4 each play, drop 7 back in coverage, take away the deep ball, and make Grossman dink and dunk for small gains and see if he can move the chains that way.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read. The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change. The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately. I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him. I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.) Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools. I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased. Wait a minute-you give Little a pass because a spot at Georgia opened up at the last minute that he could fill, but you don't give the Iowa player a pass for coming to ND because a spot opened up at the last minute? What's the difference? I never gave Little a pass. I said that it was Bush League for Weis to call him out on it when he esentially did the same thing. Ok-that makes more sense, I was just a little confused. Sorry about that.

I'm beginning to wonder if any of you ND-haters on this board read. The Louisville player we got decommitted after the coaching change. The Iowa player we got wanted to come to ND all along, just never had an offer - Kirk Ferentz pretty much admitted as much. Once he was offered (because ND lost out on other players it wanted more at the time, and because Corwin Brown's new scheme as DC made Brian Smith a much better fit), he committed pretty much immediately. I don't know the circumstances of the SC player we got, but considering Steve Spurrier's been pissing on Notre Dame ever since we kicked his ass in the 1992 Sugar Bowl, right down to lowballing us in every coaches' poll every year for no apparent reason, I'm not exactly crying for him. I've explained the first two of those situations already, but I guess the "different situations" tag you just gave to Chris Little don't apply if it gives you guys a chance to trash Charlie or ND. (Also of note: Weis said the two decommits on NSD were completely different situations. My guess is, he's not that mad at Chris, since there were other factors in his decision. But Greg L. decommitted from us not until NSD - while leading everyone at ND to believe he was still coming as late as the night before - and with no explanation.) Actually, I did read it - and the Louisville coaching change was the only one that I'll give you credit for, since that's applicable to changing schools. I did also notice that you didn't try to defend Lemming. At least you can admit that he, too, is a ND homer and actively recruits kids to ND - while supposedly being unbiased. Wait a minute-you give Little a pass because a spot at Georgia opened up at the last minute that he could fill, but you don't give the Iowa player a pass for coming to ND because a spot opened up at the last minute? What's the difference?