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I didn't understand either move, but had put my faith in Lovie to know what was what with those guys. Same here...but I can't say I was vehemently opposed to either one. Neither one was something I was passionately for or against.

Seconded that's one of the big things Grossman has on Orton, Orton' not merely bad on the deep ball he's flat out terrible. As a side note Chris Harris has a really big mouth, it would great if the Bears got another opportunity vs Panthers this season. As much as I'd like to rail on CH for his comments, the fact is he should still be playing for the Bears. He knows it, half the Bears roster knows it, and I'll bet Lovie in his heart of hearts knows it. I still don't mind the Chris Harris cut. He had proven to be a mediocre safety. Bears had Manning (though he was moving to CB), Mike Brown, Archuleta, McGowan and Payne. Whether you thought it was highly like that Brown would get hurt (as did Payne) and Archuleta would suck is really beside the point. I'm not sure how the Archuleta trade made any sense whatsoever. He had proven himself to be poor in Washington. There was no reason to bring him in here and cut Harris. A mediocre safety beside Brown would have been a great improvement. Payne might be better now, but that shouldn't have prevented the Bears from keeping Harris at the time. The Archuleta move was simply nonsensical. Well yeah, in retropsect it's easy to make that call. But how upset were you at the time the moves were made? Were you really anti-Archuleta and pro-Harris?

I'm guessing that this thread is borne of my comments in another thread a couple days ago...heh...so I should probably post. New Stadium/Rebuilt Wrigley - 31

Safe to call this one bunk I think. I'm updating the subject.

I can't find the article on the site. Link? Yeah, if it was there, it's been deleted.

Only 85 pitches by Lilly.

The problem I'd have with Harden going first, you'll either A) have him go on 3 days rest for game 4 or B) have a 4th guy in the rotation. I'd rather it go Z, Harden, Dempster or Dempster, Harden, Z...so if you get to a 5th game, you have Harden on full rest. And if you don't get to a game 5, you have him with extra rest for the next series. I like Z or Dempster on short rest much better than Harden.

Seriously? Yes, seriously. The Cubs without Wrigley Field just wouldn't be the Cubs to me. Wow. Even more puzzling about this is the fact that you don't even live anywhere near Chicago... Even if you did, though, I still wouldn't get it. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs, so I have spent many a day at Wrigley. Personally, I don't understand how anyone could not love Wrigley that much. It is legendary, a baseball icon. I'm not even a Red Sox fan but I would be pissed if they tore down Fenway. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I like the history of great old ballparks like these. It's more than just a game to me. Would you be OK if they took away the pinstripes? Or changed their colors to green or orange? There are some things that should not be messed with. Change isn't always bad. They've tried things and then taken them away (Removing the names from the jerseys.) New technology has worked (How about them lights?). Honor the old, but embrace the new. I'm all for a new stadium. But then, I'm not as stuck on "tradition" as most. I'd be perfectly ok with them replacing home plate umps with Questec or something like it. Enforce the strike zone correctly. I'm all for replay on any controversial play. Baseball can honor it's past without being stuck in it.

I haven't read this whole thread, so I might be repeating other things that have been said already... Our WR's are awful. With Hester out, we don't have a deep threat. None of our receivers could beat any of their corners all day, with the exception of the one slightly overthrown pass (to Lloyd was it?). Other than that, anytime Kyle threw deep, the corner was leading the WR. In fact, the one completed long pass to Lloyd was only because the ball was underthrown and it was easier to come back to the ball for Lloyd since he'd already been beaten by the corner. Olsen's first fumble was completely unacceptable. The second one hurt a lot more, but it was a really good punch out by Harris. WTF Turner? You run the ball 9 yards on the first Forte carry on that last drive, and then throw for 2 downs, including that pass to the flat that hadn't worked all freaking day long? Then when you do run, you use McKie? It wasn't like it was 4th and inches...it was 4th and a full yard, maybe yard and a half. Awful playcalling there. If Hester is out any length of time, that really hurts the WR core. Just the threat of Hester helps the other guys out there. What happened with Hester anyway? He got a little shove and he has bruised ribs? It looked like nothing. EDIT: I read now in David Haugh's article that 3rd and 1 was an Orton audible, and that it was called as a run. I guess Orton is the culprit there, not Turner. (Turner can still take the heat for the McKie run though.)

We just aren't clutch in the area of coin flippiness.

Howry.

http://www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=725

color me skeptical. jesus christ...fred miller, seriously? At least he'll be a backup, not a starter. But he'll probably get rotated in there on occasion.

Fred Miller is back for a one year deal. He said he was playing on a bad ankle last year and was maybe at 40 or 50 percent. He says he's about 90 percent now after getting spurs removed, and will probably never be at 100 percent. Lovie says he had no idea. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-080910-fred-miller-return-chicago-bears,0,1473000.story

I saw the speculation and am calling BS. The only indication that he's thinking this is coming from his mom - who I'm sure is not in the best of moods after her son was booed at home Sunday - while Titans officials and friends of Vince are saying he's shown no indication. The Titans' pbp radio guy, Mike Keith, was on the radio earlier today and was asked about this. He said he's spoken with Vince fairly often the past few days and Vince hasn't given him any indication whatsoever that he may be thinking about quitting - he even said he's been in good spirits. Keith also said the Monday Vince-hunt was overblown, saying that Vince was at a buddy's house that he often goes to for refuge from the media and spectators. Keith said they got some food and were hanging out there watching the MNF games. Keith also talked to the friend Vince was with and he didn't give any indication that Vince was in a terrible mental state. I'm sure Vince is struggling mentally right now - there are too many rumors to deny it - but I don't think it's that serious. Rex Grossman is unimpressed.

Power Rankings Watch: ESPN - Last week 25, this week 15 Sportsline - Last week 24, this week 8. CNNSi and Fox Sports haven't published theirs yet.

Not to mention that that drive was on a really short field thanks to Hester's endzone shenanigans.

Forte-Jones could be an upgrade over Jones-Benson...but that certainly remains to be seen long term.

Really? Not saying you're wrong, but where have you read/heard that talk? Peter King, specifically. Not the most reputable of sources or analysis, but at least getting a mention in the upper echelon already. Yeah...I really take his rankings pretty non-seriously. For one, 4 teams have yet to play this week...lol

Really? Not saying you're wrong, but where have you read/heard that talk?

I dunno, I'm not sure they can get in the "Best in the NFC" discussion until they beat the Packers and Vikings. These games are great, but they're early and we don't know how good these teams are yet.

Funny what a good Sunday will do. 3 points for home field, so they basically have the Panthers and Bears even.

Forget just Benson, how about A-Train, Enis and Salaam before him. Better vision, good burst. As raw said, Forte doesn't need a hole, he needs a seam. probably helps that he wasn't a training camp hold out like those guys were Probably, but he still had a run longer than any Benson had in 3 years. You can blame rookie seasons on training camp holdouts...but not subsequent seasons.

Leading with the helmet will do that.