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Ok so we are probably closer to the same page than we think. I wasn’t exactly a lampard out guy but I thought his use of the midfield was terrible and it’s why I supported his firing. I think the 3-4-2-1 tuchel is using is hamstringing the offense a bit but it’s definitely in order to make the defense stronger and a side effect is that he’s actually using the midfield appropriately with the jorghino/kovacic or Kante pairing. yes, that's what I saying. No Mount or Kante today against Everton. so far im a fan of the havertz, cho, werner triumvirate. just figuring out how to deploy havertz correctly would go a long way to fixing the offensive ills, not to mention CHO has been in good form for two months now

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Yeah agreed. I suppose they wanted Kante to break up the midfield which he did (I believe he was motm) but offensively they had nothing and mount was mostly ineffective. But that’s only one game. You’ll always be able to find a lineup that didn’t work I've seen it numerous times from Chelsea perhaps it was with Lampard. Never works (though perhaps a 0-0 draw is what the coach was after). Ok so we are probably closer to the same page than we think. I wasn’t exactly a lampard out guy but I thought his use of the midfield was terrible and it’s why I supported his firing. I think the 3-4-2-1 tuchel is using is hamstringing the offense a bit but it’s definitely in order to make the defense stronger and a side effect is that he’s actually using the midfield appropriately with the jorghino/kovacic or Kante pairing.

Yeah agreed. I suppose they wanted Kante to break up the midfield which he did (I believe he was motm) but offensively they had nothing and mount was mostly ineffective. But that’s only one game. You’ll always be able to find a lineup that didn’t work

I don't hate Mount. As I have said, he is a valuable and needed piece for a team. He is not an elite player and if you are building your team around him, you are never going to be a top team. Chelsea has several more talented players that are not being used effectively and playing a midfield of Mount, Kante, and Kovacic is never going to work. Kante is basically a better albeit older version of Mount and having two of them out there without a play-maker is not going to be effective. When you watch Chelsea without Jorginho, they cannot get the ball forward without heaving it - of course their skilled players aren't effective if they are constantly chasing long balls. they dont play mount, kante and kovacic in the middle. since tuchel took over its been exclusively 3-4-2-1. in the 10 games since tuchel has took over, jorghino has played 90 in 7 of them. wolves - jorghino/kovacic burnley - jorghino/kovacic spurs - jorghino/kovacic sheffield - jorghino/kovacic barnsley (fa cup) - gilmour/kante newcastle - jorghino/kovacic atletico (UCL) - jorghino/kovacic United - kovacic/kante Liverpool - jorghino/kante Mount has come on 8 times in those ten games and all 8 times he's been deployed higher up the field. Scored three times in two 1-goal wins and a 1-1 draw.

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lol you either are not watching them play or just like, are not very good at it? I'm not trying to be mean but these posts make no sense. Pulisic had a better stretch after the restart than Mount has ever had, that's true. And he's definitely a better attacker. Not in debate. But he's also fragile and you can't be good if you're not on the field. Even when healthy he hasn't seen the field much since Tuchel took over because his skills are immense but limited to the wing. though I suppose that may change if Tuchel ever stops playing with two wingbacks. Havertz should be better than Mount but he's not. Whether that's because of the COVID sickness he went through, or just the struggles of being in a new league and new country. But you can't say he's better than Mount when he has literally showed next to nothing on the field and is rarely on it. Ziyech - just no. I love what he can do but he has not adjusted well to the premier league at all. And he, again, is incredibly limited in what he can do - though his skills are very valuable if he can ever make use of them. Good luck finding one Ziyech Chelsea highlight. CHO - Definitely more talented and I've been surprised how good he's been when utilized as a WB. Maybe he's better than Mount but until he's actually ... better than Mount, he's just not. Werner - He might be. But he hasn't been. As much as any one player he was responsible for Lampard's demise because he was useless for a three month stretch. He seems to be maybe rounding into form so it's not an impossibility, but again, he hasn't been. These aren't FIFA rankings, we're talking about actual effect on the field. Jorghino - possibly, though there have been matches where he's been so limited due to size and lack of athleticism that he's been completely erased. I was a big Jorghino guy last season but thought he was poor under Lampard this year. He's been invaluable under Tuchel so I won't concede this one but it's not like there's not an argument here. Kante - If I had to actually pick the best player, gun to my head, I'd probably say Kante. Not particularly skilled in the normal way but he has probably the most effect on the field. But it's the same thing that makes Mount so valuable. He actually has a good bit of Kante in him, but he's not as small and he's better going forward (and can be deployed in more formations and positions.) Kante lost his spot because Lampard was so committed to a formation that didn't fit him. But he plays well with 2 in the middle with both Jorghino and Kovacic. Of course Jorghino is a better passer than Kante. Luckily the best thing about soccer is that there are infinite ways to play and construct your formation and succeed in it. Kante covers for other players so well it's insane. For instance, Jorghino really struggles (comparatively) in midfield when he is lined up next to kovacic because he ends up exposed athletically. With Kante, it doesn't matter as much because Kante is so good at getting back and disrupting play. As for Mount being replaced by Kante ... sure, if he's playing in the midfield and other players are in form and scoring. (Not sure it's a criticism to say you can be replaced by a world cup winner who was a driving force behind two premier league titles too.) But Mount has been on the wing as often as not because so many of the forwards have been dreadful. You wanna play Kante at LW? So, you call me an idiot and then agree with me? Don't be obtuse. It's possible to disagree without being a dick. And I know plenty about what I am watching? Do you? Damn if that’s someone agreeing with you I’d hate to see a disagreement

They're at least a little related, the injuries have meant Henderson and especially Fabinho have gotten taken out of midfield and hurt that group's quality and depth. Plus Van Dijk in particular is great at breaking lines with his passing and his defensive quality gives TAA license to get forward. That said, the midfield has always been the least dynamic part of the LIverpool formation, it's full of guys who can do a job but aren't going to single handedly break anyone's game plan. Especially against the Chelsea formation where there's a lot of numbers in the midfield causing congestion. I guess Im speaking more about Thiago. He was supposed to be the one to do that and yesterday and he seems to never even get close to doing anything other than losing possession or back passing and stalling out a break.

lol you either are not watching them play or just like, are not very good at it? I'm not trying to be mean but these posts make no sense. Pulisic had a better stretch after the restart than Mount has ever had, that's true. And he's definitely a better attacker. Not in debate. But he's also fragile and you can't be good if you're not on the field. Even when healthy he hasn't seen the field much since Tuchel took over because his skills are immense but limited to the wing. though I suppose that may change if Tuchel ever stops playing with two wingbacks. Havertz should be better than Mount but he's not. Whether that's because of the COVID sickness he went through, or just the struggles of being in a new league and new country. But you can't say he's better than Mount when he has literally showed next to nothing on the field and is rarely on it. Ziyech - just no. I love what he can do but he has not adjusted well to the premier league at all. And he, again, is incredibly limited in what he can do - though his skills are very valuable if he can ever make use of them. Good luck finding one Ziyech Chelsea highlight. CHO - Definitely more talented and I've been surprised how good he's been when utilized as a WB. Maybe he's better than Mount but until he's actually ... better than Mount, he's just not. Werner - He might be. But he hasn't been. As much as any one player he was responsible for Lampard's demise because he was useless for a three month stretch. He seems to be maybe rounding into form so it's not an impossibility, but again, he hasn't been. These aren't FIFA rankings, we're talking about actual effect on the field. Jorghino - possibly, though there have been matches where he's been so limited due to size and lack of athleticism that he's been completely erased. I was a big Jorghino guy last season but thought he was poor under Lampard this year. He's been invaluable under Tuchel so I won't concede this one but it's not like there's not an argument here. Kante - If I had to actually pick the best player, gun to my head, I'd probably say Kante. Not particularly skilled in the normal way but he has probably the most effect on the field. But it's the same thing that makes Mount so valuable. He actually has a good bit of Kante in him, but he's not as small and he's better going forward (and can be deployed in more formations and positions.) Kante lost his spot because Lampard was so committed to a formation that didn't fit him. But he plays well with 2 in the middle with both Jorghino and Kovacic. Of course Jorghino is a better passer than Kante. Luckily the best thing about soccer is that there are infinite ways to play and construct your formation and succeed in it. Kante covers for other players so well it's insane. For instance, Jorghino really struggles (comparatively) in midfield when he is lined up next to kovacic because he ends up exposed athletically. With Kante, it doesn't matter as much because Kante is so good at getting back and disrupting play. As for Mount being replaced by Kante ... sure, if he's playing in the midfield and other players are in form and scoring. (Not sure it's a criticism to say you can be replaced by a world cup winner who was a driving force behind two premier league titles too.) But Mount has been on the wing as often as not because so many of the forwards have been dreadful. You wanna play Kante at LW?

liverpool's backline injuries get all the blame, but every time i watch them play, their midfield looks completely ineffectual. They had like one shot on goal yesterday and that came in like the 87th minute. They subbed out Salah really early because he was trying to commit suicide by doing 80 yard sprints over and over because that was his only hope of touching the ball

who would you say is best player is tough to quantify as it is definitely a team sport. I think their most vital player is Jorginho and it shows when he isn't on the field. Mount is a very useful player but he is more about individual than team - ie he doesn't really make his teammates better. I still think Pulisic is their most talented attacking player but his impact is reduced and his lack of defensive tracking is perhaps what keeps him on the bench. That game yesterday devolved into a bunch of big fast guys crashing into each violently and it really doesn't suit CP's style. Frankly, Chelsea is a bunch of good players but no real great players - the fact that Mount is perceived as their most effective player really tells the team's story for me. You are very limited in attack if that is the best you have. Late add - CHO is a pretty effective player. well ... they are very limited in attack. Jorghino or, more likely, Kante are probably their most "vital" players, but that's more of a symptom of everyone else's problems than their own greatness. I think if you say something like "mount is nowhere near their best player" and then come back with "maybe it's jorghino?" you've kinda submarined your point. Mount can play on either wing if you need, he can play in midfield, he can score, great first touch, he gets assists, he tracks back from either midfield or the wing to play defense. Sure, if you have an elite winger or striker than you can say Mount isn't your best player. But chelsea don't have that, so Mount is. He's been the only player to have success in the 4-3-3 and the current formation because he's so versatile and his work rate is so high. There's no one else you can say that about. Mount really does just fit wherever he's needed, without him chelsea would be lost

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and in the chelsea game a liverpool cross hits Kante's raised arm in the box and they dont even look at it.

i think the mount slander (libel?) is so dumb. You've now had two Chelsea coaches consistently rate him, as does Southgate. Tuchel is playing Ziyech, who has done less than nothing this year, ahead of Pulisic. Mount has nothing to with him and he's consistently Chelsea's best player going forward.

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a year ago they had a 2 year champions league ban and were gonna have to sell off sterling to stay afloat. you hate to see this boy, they're fun to watch unlike every other big 6 team. jarring watching a side actually try to score goals, something i was led to believe was outlawed

a year ago they had a 2 year champions league ban and were gonna have to sell off sterling to stay afloat. you hate to see this

when we were good, i did not like jason heyward much. now that we're bad and he's still cashing ricketts checks, i love him. plus he seems like about as good a guy as a millionaire athlete can be. keep cashing those checks.

should be no more questions of if CP can succeed on the right wing

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i thought coman was leaving Ah, I was too lazy to double check if one of those guys might be on the way out. Still, not quite a weakness, and maybe even more of a situation where Bayern might not pay the price tag since there isn’t a gaping hole. yeah it seems hard to believe that bayern would hit that asking price (obviously these early transfer stories always come with ridiculous price tags attached) but also that Chelsea would accept much less than what they spent. Their DoF has taken a lot of grief over all the spending last summer with little return for it, but she is a good negotiator.

Yeah, as much as I would like to see it, Bayern typically doesn’t pay EPL prices unless it’s a local guy like Sane. Plus they aren’t really short on quality wingers with Sane, Coman, and Gnabry. i thought coman was leaving

Jeez that seems like best-case scenario for everyone. bayern gets a young american winger chelsea gets more haaland money bayern games are all on espn+ pulisic goes to a system where he fits i cant see bayern spending $70 mil or whatever the article said on him though, not after this last year