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i love giancarlo but i would support barry if he chose to destroy the man's career

I think we're using different measures here. You're giving Ali extra "famous points" because of fame from his activism, which is fine...he was clearly famous for that. But then discounting Jordan for being famous because of his "brand". Which I guess is also fine, it's just why there's no consensus here. Are we measuring fame as a result of just sport? Or fame overall? I just don't think we're all "counting" the same things. I thought it was obvious there's no kind of hard metric anyone is using here; it's just the nebulous notion of whatever "crazy globally famous on a level only a handful of people ever reach" is. To me, Jordan is too tied to his products and to his sport to be on Ali's level; Ali transcended his sport to a point where he was basically just famous for being Muhammed Ali. If Jordan transcended the sport that made him famous, it really just seems to be in a marketing sense. Maybe it's not fair that I'm lending more weight to someone who become more famous than their sport because of things beyond athletics and marketing, but hey, that's what I'm doing. To me, Jordan is too inexorably linked to the global rise of Nike to look at his global fame as simply the result of Michael Jordan: the greatest basketball player ever. His sport simply wasn't THAT globally famous at that point, and Nike went whole hog into making themselves and him a global brand. In the end, yeah, he ended up being hugely famous because of his talent and because of the products he endorsed, but ultimately that was his ceiling, gigantic as it was. Ali somehow got beyond that. I look at Jordan as kind of reverse Pele, from an American standpoint. Pele was definitely famous in America, but obviously nowhere near what he was elsewhere in the world. Jordan was famous around the world, but nowhere near the heights he hit in America. We can't help but see Jordan as this all-encompassing figure because of how much we lived and breathed everything he did, but that really was the exception compared to the rest of the world. Subtract Nike from the picture and I think it's suddenly a hugely different picture as to how famous Jordan was globally. Sure, that sounds a lot like "subtract player x's best games and they're not so great," but with Nike I think it's genuinely questionable whether the man or the product was more famous. oh my god, stop talking

He has the ugliest left handed swing in baseball history.

When Baez was mashing taters in AA, I never would have guessed he'd come up and bunt twice a game

Agree completely. But who the hell is Lana Berry? twitter famous. Her account is actually pretty funny, but it's a little too millenial sometimes

horsefeathers lana but her vine loops are actually good

Trading for Abad would not be ... a bad move. http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/binoculars-to-sunglasses.gif

not only can i not remember any specific losses from this season, im not sure we ever have lost or will lose again

what the horsefeathers is this

A young hard throwing but erratic sky's the limit talent with the temper to match? What could possibly go wrong? We can call him Big V. That name is saved for John Lackey's ex-wife.

And Derwood knows from experience! If I say something dumb, I expect to hear about it. You don't hear me get my panties in a wad about it only because they fit so well under the jorts.

right now we're a one true outcome offense and that outcome is suck

My favorite part is how we are 40-16 and underachieving. Yep, on pace to win 115 games and we are lower than where our Pythag and BaseRuns say we should be. sexual

we have a hall of shame already

On the flipside, there will be a HUGE "he was a big part of their world series runs/glue guy/heart and soul of the team" narrative that i could see getting him in

31 career WAR ... 8 less than Jason Kendall.

i uhhhh dont see the yankees going through all the trouble of getting aroldis chapman and then dealing him for ian happ of all people.

He didn't mean "leads the AL catchers" He leads all players in votes this yeah but he plays at a position with no competition from the rest of the league so of course he's going to accumulate all the votes

what i got from this is that vandy is in tennessee. wow

25th in era that means he's a no. 1 starter nice

oh man we're wearing the stupid camo horsefeathers today

what

uhhh wtf is going on with alex wood's K rate, jesus

i know, tough pill to swallow

Cute girls with tattoo sleeves are kinda hot. i'm not into gonorrhea. hard pass. ahahahahha what the horsefeathers