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Yankees lineup today just isn't fair.
goonys evil twin replied to chuckywang's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
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Yeah, maybe Hunter wasn't a great option to use to describe a player who disproves what his minor league numbers say about him.
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If you only gave jobs to guys who produce right away in short stints, you'd have a pretty poor distribution of talent in the majors. A couple Pujols/Cabrera/Jeter/ARods, and a bunch of random Roosevelt Browns/Brant Browns. The team is not necessarily better with Theriot in the lineup next year. It's entirely too early to make such a claim. Theriot doesn't have a magic run scoring ability. Focusing on intangibles is why this team sucks. This team needs tangible long-run production.
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"Any power" is not right. No power whatsoever is a negative. It's not a bonus to have a 1/2 hitter with some power. You'd like something more than Pierre power out of the spot. I agree you don't need a lot. And I'm not ragging on Theriot's SLG. I'm talking about it in terms of his entire production. People are talking about his 900+ OPS, and that's fine. It's great production. But it's unsustainable, both in the OBP and SLG department. If Theriot gets on 35% of the time the rest of his career, that's great. But if he's only slugging .330 during that time, he's not helping the team a whole heck of a lot as an everyday player.
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It's the HR's that are skewing his SLG. He's hit one every 42 at bats, compared to once every 410 in the minors. take a look at torii hunter's minor leauge stats. how does a guy with 42 career minor leauge hr's in 6 years and a career sluggin % under .400 hit 25-30 each year in the majors? according to your logic it shouldnt be happening but it is. He hit 10 in 335 at bats as a 19 year old in A ball. He hit 7 in 391 AB as a 20 year old in high A. Then 7/342 in AA at 21, and 8/471 in AA at 22. As a 25 year old in AAA, he hit 18 in 209. He hit a HR once every 37.7 AB as a minor league. He's hit 1 every 23.8 AB in the majors. That's an improvement, but nowhere near the astronomical improvement Theriot has experienced in his short stint.
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It's the HR's that are skewing his SLG. He's hit one every 42 at bats, compared to once every 410 in the minors. Yeah right. How did i miss talking about that? I was overlooking that knowing those were higher than normal, i didnt translate that into slugging subconsciously. Haha. Take the 3HR's away totally and you got .404. Turn those 3Hrs into Db's and you got .454. As a comparison, Pagan had his SLG hit .600 after his big 2 run homer return from injury game. It was .495 as recently as Aug 13, when he was around the AB total that Theriot is currently at. And now it's .399, just 50 ABs later. He had a .371 career SLG in the minors, and hit a HR once every 164 AB. Theriot had a .337 SLG. He's at .504 right now, but was .400 just one month ago. SLG can make huge swings over the course of a short time frame, because a "perfect" SLG is 4.000 (a HR every at bat). OBP only sways from 1.000 - 0.000.
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I'd much rather have Murton in one corner and a really productive OFer in the other.
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It's the HR's that are skewing his SLG. He's hit one every 42 at bats, compared to once every 410 in the minors.
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He's way too infatuated with jack of all trade types, as opposed to masters of one. He needs to get guys who are good at something, not just mediocre at everything. He thinks a bench is there for defensive backup, and doesn't even think about the need for offense, accept for finding guys who can put it in play and bunt (because Dusty actually used pinch hitters to sac bunt on a regular basis).
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I don't think we differ in our belief in the ability of the Cubs to find those players.
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Probably true. I think you want to at least wait for the second half of this season. If all goes well by then, maybe you consider an extension early, if only to spread the cap hit to this year as well as the future. Heck, if Grossman goes 10 games at this pace, with a 100+ rating 60% comp % etc, then he'll probably pay for his signing bonus in jersey sales alone. Then again, I don't know how late in the season you can extend a guy and still have it count toward this season's cap. But best bet is most likely after the season, hopefully after a super bowl win. If he reverts to a 75 rating guy, and misses a couple games, maybe you make him play out 2007 as well.
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Obviously. That's not the freaking point. You can't just take a short time frame and multiply it to determine what a guy will do. of course not. but you also cannot take a players minor leauge #'s to project what every player will do in the majors. if you you could, alot of AAAA guys would be mvp's & all stars in the majors instead of bench players or still in triple at age 30. minor leauge #'s ARE NOT the end all and be all when it comes to major leauge production. Good minor league numbers don't always translate to good major league numbers. But poor minor league numbers often translate to poor major league numbers. Your example doesn't apply here. Guys get weeded out as they climb levels, it's not the other way around. Major league callup numbers ARE NOT the end all and be all when it comes to major league production later in their career. All I'm saying is be cautious, don't get carried away. I don't get why so many people feel the need to criticize that theory of treating young players.
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I guess I'll give you the obligatory, "get out while you can" (with marriage, not the house buying), but in all seriousness, congrats. Marriage has been great, although, for me at least, not very different than the previous 10 years.
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Obviously. That's not the freaking point. You can't just take a short time frame and multiply it to determine what a guy will do. When's he going to cool down, my man? Maybe, just maybe, we might have something here. With all the numbers being thrown around here, why not just look at what he has done in the Minors, and accept the fact that the Cubs may just have a pretty decent ball player? Matt Murton is in the same camp. Build around these young guys who won't be costing the organization too much money for a few years. Murton is a pretty decent ballplayer, as is Theriot. I'll take performance over potential. Matt Murton and Ryan Theriot are not comparable.
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When will it become acceptable to start discussing his contract situation? Not Angelo and his agent, I mean us. He signed a 5 year deal and this is year 4. If he's truly the QB of the future, I assume they'll try to extend him in the offseason. With his injury history and small portfolio, you don't want to get too far ahead of yourself. But does Jerry consider using some of this year's extra cap space to sign him now? Should we wait until he plays 8 straight before talking? That would give him 17 career games, including the playoffs. Do we wait until the postseason? Do you force him to play all of 2006 and 2007, and let him go to free agency?
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Obviously. That's not the freaking point. You can't just take a short time frame and multiply it to determine what a guy will do.
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Dusty was quoted talking about that issue. But it was entirely in a positive manner, brushing off the significance and excusing the veteran for the "rookie mistake."
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I'd call his 2003 great, without question. Not down in history great, but great nonetheless. As great as Zambrano last year.
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You have a problem with a 3.68 ERA? There's no doubt Wood has been limited by injury. I don't get your point in bringing this up. I said the only thing that should keep him in the pen is if he is physically incapable of starting. When he's been healthy for a full season, he's been great. It's been rare, I know. I'm not saying you give him a starting job next year. I am saying you put him in the pen, see how he does. If he goes all of 2007 healthy, and looks healthy in 2008, then you start to consider extending his innings, but most likely keep him in the pen. If he can get back to the rotation by 2009, you give him that chance, because odds are the Cubs are not going to introduce 1, let alone 4 starters who would be better than a healthy Wood in the rotation.
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I don't understand this sentence. If Theriot had a 600 OPS this season it would be more in-line with his career line. But I'd still like the guy to get chance to be a bench option. His good performance in the majors has been a nice thing, and certainly positively influences my opinion of what he's capable of in the future. But I was responding to a strange post about being happy if he did that for a quarter of a season even if he did worse the rest of the season. Neifi did just as well in quarter of a season, but he sucked the rest of the time, and it negated all the good. Being good for quarter of a season and not good for 3/4 is not acceptable. And I don't get why somebody was trying to claim otherwise.
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because he could die if he gets hit with a line drive? That's a good reason for him not to get on the mound. It's not a good reason to retire. Retire means no money. 60-day DL means keep money.
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None of those guys compares with Wood if he's at his best. The only reason he should stay in the pen is if he's physically incapable of returning to the rotation. time will tell how good hill, veal & sean will be. wood hasnt been at his best since 2003 and even then he was only 14-11 with a 3.20 era. a good year but not exactly a great year. wood had (has?) great stuff but it never really translated to production on the mound. That's only if you count win/loss record as production on the mound, and we all know you don't do that if you want to make a reasonable point.
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Other than possibly Moore we really don't have any kids that could provide good power off the bench. Pagan might provide okay power, but not the kind of power I would want when I need a big hit late. One or possibly two, depending on Moore vets would be useful for that purpose. As far as the bolded part, I don't think thats neccessarily true. If you go after a bench player who has had only one or two good seasons that both came in the last 2-3 years then it would be true. If it is a guy who has consistently put up solid numbers off the bench other than one or two years he is a better bet to do well than a rookie who is not used to coming off the bench and is used to being an everyday player. That's pretty much why I said "Unless the Cubs can get somebody likely to put up an 800 OPS, and/or dominate against LHP or RHP specifically". If you can find a guy who has consistently put up solid numbers, go ahead and get him.
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My reason for not wanting Theriot to start has nothing to do with Neifi. It's because we can and should do better. The comparison to Neifi was just pointing out how pointless the "nearly a quarter of a season" claim was.
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Does anyone have Coaching staff information
goonys evil twin replied to DonnieD's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Go to a team's website, check under "roster" and choose "coaches".