I agree with you when you aren't using those other statistics, but the bottomline that I was tryin to make before I flipped out was that Dunn if put on a better team would be more of a difference maker. I don't consider him one when he is on a team that finished as poorly as the Reds did. Now if the Cubs got him then he probably could be a difference maker because he ads more pop to a team that has pitching unlike the Reds(Paul Wilson, Ramon Ortiz,etc......). So don't get me wrong Vance I just disagree with those statistics(Winshare,Vorp,etc....) and hope that you understand that im not against getting Dunn.