Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner. Well, when the default is to come right out of the gate with things like, "guns aren't a problem" or "Trump and [insert random Democrat] are equally bad," that person is already indicating they're entrenched in a basically unmovable, unrealistic and unreasonable mindset.