Sammy Sofa
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This isn't something that can't be put off. The bullpen could very easily be the Achilles' heel of this team and they need to get the younger arms more experience ASAP. You DO have to treat them with relative kids gloves when you're basically pinning the hope of the bullpen on a mostly inexperienced bullpen. You can't just toss them into the mix and expect them to sink or swim. That's a strategy for failure, and what I'm talking about is inherent to actually managing a bullpen. Gee I wonder where I got that idea from. Oh wait it was from this post made just before your last. I still can't figure out where the "delusional argument is." You were the one that was attempting to seemingly point out a contradiction on my part concerning wasting Grabow vs. wasting Marmol, which is the only reason I made the post you just quoted. It IS a much bigger deal to waste Marmol on a day like this than it would be to warm up Grabow and then not use him. There's nothing delusional at all about recognizing that. There's no contradiction on my part being frustrated over Marmol warming up and pitching today vs. thinking that Grabow warming up and not pitching wouldn't be a big deal if it was due to smart managing looking at the big picture. -
Soriano looked good. Couple of hits, including an RBI double. Looked good defensively, too. Played confidently and took away a hit from Carlos Lee with a nice jumping catch by the wall. Also had a stolen base, though initially they were trying to pick him off 2nd. Bullpen was fine. Silva went 7, so Grabow pitched the 8th. Gave up a hit, but erased it with a double play and then a strikeout. Marmol closed because Lou is bonkers and was filthy, mowing them down 1-2-3.
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Nobody has said anything contrary to that. It's irrelevant to what I've been trying to say. There clearly is a need. The struggles of the bullpen is a need that's made out of neon and is shooting of fireworks. Again, this team HAS to capitalize on opportunities like this at this point in the season if they want any hope of having a serviceable bullpen down the stretch without wasting resources overpaying in a trade. You can't plan to have opportunities like this. Given the bigger picture, the smart thing to do is eat that Grabow had to warm up and get a kid in there. You gamble that while playing the worst team in baseball right now at home that you can do that and help your team in the long run by getting your inexperienced bullpen some valuable no-pressure pitching time early in the season. I haven't tried to make this a "delusional argument about Marmol." I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. All I said is that it was a waste to use Marmol today, same as it was a waste to use Grabow. Grabow should have been sat down once they went up by 2 (or at least someone else should have been throwing alongside him at that point given how the game was going) since it's the [expletive] Astros and Marmol never should have been up at all.
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wait are you saying that it's bad for a guy's arm to warm him up but then not pitch him in a ballgame. No. Someone said it wasn't a big deal that Marmol pitched because he only threw 14 pitches. Nuts&Gum said it is a big deal because he had to warm up. A couple pages before that he was complaining that we didn't sit Grabow after the Lee HR (don't think we had enough to time to get someone fully warm anyways) so we could use one of the struggling young arms. I was pointing out that because Grabow had already gotten fully warm you should just let him pitch because fully warming up is generally considered as being used whether or not you actually go in the game. Sitting him down would completely waste him. And it should be obvious to anyone the gigantic difference between wasting Marmol and wasting Grabow. This is twice now you've responded to my points as if both are the same circumstances.
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Yes, because he also had to warm up. Agreed but that is also the reason why sitting Grabow after being fully warm would have been a bad idea. Grabow is nowhere near as essential as Marmol or getting the young arms some badly needed game time. Exactly why you allow him to pitch. He's not a great pitcher who you want to protect. You warmed him up so you should just let him pitch. Why waste two bad pitchers when you can just use one and save the other in case the starter blows chunks in game 2 or 3 and you need 4-5 innings out of your bullpen? Because as it stands it is absolutely critical that the young arms in the bullpen get time in games like this. You can't approach this bullpen right now as you would a "typical" bullpen as you're describing. It is essential that they capitalize on getting playing time that isn't high-leverage right now. We don't actually know that these are "bad arms" in the bullpen and these types of games are a gold mine in terms of letting inexperienced pitchers get some playing time and to start feeling more comfortable.
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Yes, because he also had to warm up. Agreed but that is also the reason why sitting Grabow after being fully warm would have been a bad idea. Grabow is nowhere near as essential as Marmol or getting the young arms some badly needed game time.
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I dont think so, not too mad about it. I mean thats less the number of pitches he throw on an off day for a workout. So pretty much this game was like a side session. Would've been worse if he labored and threw 30 pitches It's not so much that this one game was a problem so much as it's indicative of a much bigger, ongoing problem. Ah well, good win.
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Yes, because he also had to warm up.
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Bob: "Lotta good defense in the game today." Considering that they Astros essentially got their two runs due to crappy Cubs' defense, no, Bob, there wasn't.
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Marmol vs. Johnson was not fair at all.
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sometimes i feel like lou makes up his mind and then just won't change it. like when the cubs took the lead in the 7th, he said to himself "great, get through the 8th and then it's marmol time"... the fact that the cubs tacked on several more runs doesn't matter to him. Or he just completely forgot about the bullpen.
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I'd kill for someone to call Lou out over this in the post game press conference.
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Marmol. Unbelievable. [expletive] off, Lou.
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because Grabow was up before the rally started So sit his ass back down and get someone else up to get some work.
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Ugh, why Grabow? This is exactly the type of situation that they should be using to give the younger guys some work. YOU SUCK SO MUCH ASS, LOU.
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That worked out for a double, but man, Aramis is hacking at everything.
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Love the reaction by the catcher.
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OH GOD. TOO SEXY!!!
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Yeah, that was a break.
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Nice.
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Wow, how did he not let that go foul?
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What the [expletive], Nady.
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Yeah, though me made the right move just gunning it for 3rd.
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*Phew*
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Nicely done, Sori.
