I expect them both to be in the neighborhood of 3-4 win players and they really don't need to be more than that. That's not to say that, being good players, they won't have hears where they'll perform great (just like they'll have down years). I think they'll be lucky to consistently be 2+ win players, and a good chunk of that will be propped up by their defense. Again, not the end of the world in terms of general baseball, but kind of the end of the world given what the Cubs are trying to do; or at least a big ass tsunami to a bunch of the coasts. You can't honestly tell me that they weren't expecting/hoping at least one them to break out in a big way.