Honestly, I think the high moral standard comes from obnoxious sportswriters and politicians with nothing better to do more than from the fans. With McGwire and Bonds, it was blatantly obvious they were using PEDs. Yet, their fans loved them and to this day still defend those guys. Go Milton go! You got your facts a little screwed up there man... Giants fans ignored the facts about Bonds, Us Card fans did'nt find out Mac was juicing until he had retired. Now that I know about it I hate his red headed guts, as do MANY St. Louisans. Why did'nt you mention Sosa? Because there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever outside the anecdotal that he ever did any of it, and dear God, please let's not have this debate in a game thread.