Yeah, 1970s Orioles. He had many many winning seasons based on his philosophy of great pitching, strong fundamentals, and 3-run homers. Think of him as a precursor to Moneyball. He didn't screw around with pointless stealing, bunting, hit-and-run, "begin aggressive," all that jazz. His players took walks and were subsequently batted in with the longball. It really makes perfect sense, but Joe Morgan And Friends hate it because it flies in the face of this tired station-to-station, five-tool player, intangibles crap that's been ingrained in the system. EDIT: I love that the entire speech has been edited out of the thread for profanity. Kinda comes with the territory when you quote Weaver! I tried to censor it. http://users.rcn.com/pkatcher/audio/EarlWeaverTirade.mp3 Here. Greatest tirade ever. Better than Lee Elia. Better than "what's your opinion of Kingman." There are bad words, so use discretion. There.