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You named one team. And that team has already tried trading for him, decided against it, and has plenty of financial resources. You really think they'd go against what they've already done just to get a guy early? It's not about getting a guy early. It's about getting a guy. One, if we miss on the FA, I'm fine going after Hamels. I'm not fine trading Castro for him, but that's not my point. My point is he'll still be there after the FA are gone and if we miss on them, we certainly have the goods to trade for him at THAT point.
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And you are also assuming that there will be no money involve in a Hamels deals. So you're cutting into the market even further by upping the prospect haul?
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You named one team. And that team has already tried trading for him, decided against it, and has plenty of financial resources. You really think they'd go against what they've already done just to get a guy early?
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And our FO hasn't given the same message? That's my point. Hamels will be available AFTER the main 3 FA are gone.
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That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should. No team is trading for Hamels when they can add a guy for just money. He's not getting dealt prior to those guys coming off the market. you are making huge assumptions about other teams' budgets. Hamels costs 22.5 per over the next 4 years, with an option and buyout after that. Even if Lester or Scherzer cost 30 mill per( beyond doubtful) they're not costing the team much more, if any, at the start of their new deal.
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they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it. So, you think the Dodgers would do something they already had the chance to do, but didn't, before going after the FA? Depends on what was on the table. But it's most certainly possible. That goes against everything they've said. And it goes against what they've already done, which is NOT pull the trigger on a deal for Hamels.
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That is not a logical fallacy. The question is should the cubs do it if it is an option. Some seem to think they should not. Others think they should. No team is trading for Hamels when they can add a guy for just money. He's not getting dealt prior to those guys coming off the market.
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they wouldn't throw both at the Phillies, but one would make sense. The Royals traded the top prospect in baseball for a lesser pitcher who was the same age as Hamels is now. I could see the Dodgers offering Pederson and the Phillies jumping on it. So, you think the Dodgers would do something they already had the chance to do, but didn't, before going after the FA?
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You guys realize the Dodgers have said they want to keep their main guys and didn't meet the asking price on Hamels already, right? They will definitely look at just buying in FA before going the trade route. Considering Pederson and Seager weren't on the table for Price, you think they're going to throw them at Hamels when they can spend on a FA and not have to?
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No, I'm not. Again, how many teams have both the payroll flexibility and the prospects it'd take to land Hamels? Not many at all. And no one is going to go that route prior to going after the FA first. If we miss on the FA, Hamels will still be there.
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There is no way we're trading Starlin for Hamels. If we are forced to overpay for an ace in FA, it'd make more sense than doing that. And then we can use surplus hitting prospects(Almora, Schwarber, McKinney, maybe Alcantara-depending on if we get Rusney) to add another major pitcher.
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Sulley, I love Javy and KB and Soler as much as anyone. But it's certainly possible that these kids struggle enough to where we're not a contender in 2015. It definitely seems our FO errs on the side of caution. I'm just saying I expect one this offseason and one later on.
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That is so dumb. Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market? I didn't cherry pick. Your argument was incredibly dumb. There is no reason why you can't trade for one and sign another. But the fact is passing on trades because there are free agents who might be interested in you is a great way to end up with neither. You're not this dense. Hamels is NOT getting dealt prior to those guys signing. If we DO miss on them, go get him then. But their asking price has been ridiculous. That's not changing and neither is the fact there are only a few teams even capable of both taking on his salary and having the prospects it'd take to get him.
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That is so dumb. Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market? if you feel you can get a fair deal and secure something that can put you over the top, of course. Your and my idea of fair differs. I'm not about to move Starlin in a Gamels deal when those guys are on the market still.
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if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces. We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once. why not? if they plan on landing two aces, why on earth would they wait two years to do so when they can do so in one? Because pitching is volatile for one and it's certainly possible our kids struggle somewhat next year. Which leaves us putting innings on high dollar arms in a season we're not contending in. In order to alleviate that somewhat, I figure they'll get one and if we are contending, look to add mid season.
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That is so dumb. Way to cherry pick. Read the rest. Are you going to overpay for Hamels in our situation with all 3 of those guys still on the market?
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if you land Hamels, it makes the destination more attractive for another one of them, thereby securing two aces. We're not going to add 2 in one offseason. I'd love it, but everything they're saying is 18-24 months. It lends me to think we WILL add 2 big pitchers, but I can't see it happening at once.
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It's a defeatist mentality to trade for a guy just to make sure we get him. Not to mention, the Phillies would be stupid to deal Hamels prior to those guys signing as it is. With where we're at in the rebuild and the money we have available, I'll be very surprised if we don't land one of those 3 FA. If we don't, I'm sure Hamels will still be on the market, as no one is going to want to meet their price on him before taking their shot at the others.
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Why trade something of serious value for Hamels when Lester, Scherzer, and Shields can be had for just money?
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The Mets are certainly looking to deal pitching for a SS obviously. I don't see anyone else that has pitching to trade away. Not at the major league level anyway. With our payroll being as low as it is, I can see us truly making a run at guys on a shorter term deal. Not Scherzer obviously, but I could see Lester taking 4/100 with an option tied to IP over a conventional 6/120 type deal elsewhere. Same with Shields. Maybe go 4/72, with the option,instead of 5/80. At any rate, I think we're set up extremely well to offer more per year to shave a year or two off the length.
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Random Cubs Musings: Minor League Edition
davell replied to Little Slide Rooter's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
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I had kind of had it in my mind to sign Lester(if it takes 6 years, so be it). Sign Rusney, trade Alcantara for Wheeler. C Castillo 1B Rizzo 2B Javy SS Starlin 3B KB LF Coghlan/Ruggiano until Russell comes up and KB takes LF CF Rusney RF Soler SP-Lester, Arrieta, Wheeler, Wood, Hendricks, Jaxon, Turner, Straily, Doubront, Wada
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when will javi get his first major league walk
davell replied to treebird's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
As soon as everyone starts calling him Javy again. -
Question for the [expletive] pitching crowd: I get the fact it's easier to project hitters moving forward. I'm on board with drafting hitters early for sure. But I can't see us loving our odds heading into a playoff series getting ready to face Kershaw and Greinke or other groupings like that. Do you guys actually want us to just keep signing each years versions of the next Hammel/Feldman type and never spend big money on pitching? I kind of get not trading for pitching too, but with the large amount of hitters we have coming up, I honestly DO think we'll have an excess to deal from there. And with everyone being young and cheap, I can't even see how we use our payroll, if we DON'T spend on pitching. This isn't meant to turn into a Stanton debate either. One, because I honestly don't think we need him myself and two, because even if we DID deal for him, we'd still have plenty of payroll room anyway.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-12-14
davell replied to CaliforniaRaisin's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Playoffs next year.