I see some of the same handful are still here complaining about others pointing out the cold hard facts, that they apparently don't want to see/hear or acknowledge. Eating their own and telling them how they should conduct their fandom. Now THAT's annoying. WAY more annoying than those venting their justified frustration over this (what is it 2 months worth now..?) garbage and Joe's "maddoningly" idiotic "I'm smarter than the game" routine. There's a reason they're far behind their pythag record...need look no further than the dugout and the clown shoe act coaching the bases for the most part...but hey, they throws a hell of a pajama party. smfh "This team right now is very capable of not winning 90 games" is like barely a fact, it's just a pessimistic sentence in response to a run of frustration (not to pick on Kyle since he's typically one of the better posters here). Being a fan of the team with the best record in baseball, especially one that's endured as much terrible baseball in the last 6 or 7 or 100 years as we have, and opening the thread of a game we're down 3 measly runs and seeing post after post of this misplaced anger and overblown panic is annoying. Oh no if we lose tonight we'll only be 90% favorites to win the division! Unreal. If you can honestly say you think Joe isn't one of, if not the best, manager in the game. Go ahead. Won't have much support there, even amongst the Rondon Fan's of the world. And then you conclude by implying that, in the face of all past evidence, we're going to...continue to underperform our pythag? Solid post. It's not misplaced or overblown when it's gone on for this long...It's not about just tonight for those posting what you consider annoying, not hard to understand. As far as Joe...overall I still believe him to be one of the best...but he's been horrid lately, and you can look to the last how many game threads for evidence of that. The nonsense has been well documented.