I read what you wrote in the title, and then didn't understand why Palmeiro didn't count. So I posted that. if he counts for having one halfway decent season as a regular, then rizzo and russell count as home grown. hell, theriot had better seasons as a cub. That's kind of a weird way of posing the question, I guess. In order for it to really be "produced by the Cubs" I'd probably want the criteria to be: + Drafted by Cubs + Debuted with Cubs + Had X seasons in MLB as a starter for the Cubs Yep, that would be a different interpretation. One assesses how well we draft and/or develop; the other assesses how well we draft, develop, and value? Retain?