Prove it. Also, GO SAMMY! Corks to start (I still supported him through that one, BTW). And that "prove it" nonsense is no argument at all. It essentially responds to the argument by saying "That's what you think." It ignores substantial circumstantial evidence that points to him have used substances he shouldn't have. You and I both know what I am talking about, so I won't bother repeating all of it. :roll: I was going to write something but there is obviously no point. The good thing is that you aren't biased; I mean your user name reveals you to be highly objective. Appreciate the eye roll by the way. Look, I have much love for my heros too - look at my user name. And I loved Sammy intensely for a good many years - I was there for his 60th dong in 98' and cheered my head off. But if I am going to be intellectually honest with myself I have to deal with the fact that there is evidence to indicate Sammy used performance enhancing substances. Can I show you a pic of him shooting up? Of course not. But I can show you: - That he was substantially bigger prior to the Congressional hearings. - That his performance and skills eroded incredibly quickly thereafter - That he was incredibly smaller when he first came up with the Rangers and Sox. - That he dodged and refused to meet head-on Rick Reilly's arrogant attempts at cornering him. - That he all of a sudden couldn't understand english when Congress wanted to ask him questions about the issue. - Etc., etc. It doesn't make me happy to feel this way, but I can't ignore it either. All of the things you mention are very circumstancial as evidence and there are reasons why they could have occurred other than steriod use. -For example, many players get bigger as they progress in their careers -Sammy's speaks English, but may not have felt 100% comfortable speaking under oath in case of a language slip up. I mean, the guy can get something across, but his grammar is nowhere near stellar and I'm sure his vocab could use some help esp in a Congressional hearing. Besides, it's not like when you speak through an interpreter you can just lie or something. You still have to answer the questions. -His performance drop could also be tied to his beaning incident, whereafter Sosa backed way off of the plate. He also had some serious toe problems which affect balance dramatically. Of all of the guys who are and have been targeted for steriod usage, Sosa really has the least on him. He didn't lie to Congress, he didn't plead the 5th to dodge questions, he doesn't have witnesses stating that they saw him use or injected him with steroids, he never tested negative, he never was found in posession of steriods, etc. etc. In everything else, we assume innocence and yet in the case of steriod abuse, we're choosing to assume guilt. Show me the same evidence that we have against guys like Canseco (admitted), Palmiero (failed test), Bonds (witnesses, BALCO), Giambi (admitted, BALCO), McGwire (witnesses, plead 5th), Sheffield (BALCO, admitted he used it "unknowingly"), etc etc and I'll buy into Sosa as a juicer, but until we have any such thing, he's just a homerun hitter who thrived in the late 90s.