Ok, so this is what I don't understand: I respect all the people who know all the stats there are to know about baseball, but they play no relevance in MVP, Cy Young, ROTY, etc. Everyone (not everyone, but you know what I mean) seems to think wins, hits, BA, and on and on and on are these pointless/meaningless stats that should have no bearing on anything, but they play a VERY VERY key role in end of season awards, etc. Thoughts? Wins and Saves are "pointless" in the fact that they do not really enlighten us as to a player's pitching ability, but they are not "pointless" in the sense that they matter for awards. Is that an example of what you're trying to say in a nutshell? That's the problem. Members of the "old guard" in baseball, who are obsessed with the conventional wisdom that wins, BA, etc. are meaningful are oftentimes unwilling to consider more useful/descriptive statistics. It's extremely frustrating, especially when a knowledgeable writer like Neyer discusses who will win instead of who should. At least discussion who should win would open some eyes in the same way the (Jim Caple?) article on saves did.