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Another banner week for USC athletics between that and and the whole White Aryan Nation football thing. an inside joke, and a minor marijuana offense. What horrible human beings :roll: I can't believe people are making this argument.
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I think Vanderbilt, Nevada, Virginia, BC, USC, and Illinois are no-brainers. I'm surprised they are on the "NSBB Bubble" at all.
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yeah you'll really show them! :roll: Yeah why don't you cheer for your holy cross this will be the year they are relevent. Oh wait, no it won't :roll: hey at least I won't be swearing off one of the most fun tournaments to watch because a pretty good team that I root for won't be getting a chance to win one or maybe two games in it At least we have a shot to win a game, why does your team get to go again? I hope you look back on this conversation later and realize how immature you're being. A) Holy Cross has as good a chance as any mid-major to pick up a win in the first round, especially if they end up with a 13. They have an RPI of 62 and beat Bucknell twice. They have two very good seniors leading them. The Patriot League has shown in recent years that they can win NCAA games. If they play a team like Oregon---Lunardi's projection---they have a great chance. B) Illinois will make the tournament, without a doubt. All this whining and complaining is for naught. IU and U of I will both be in and will both probably lose first round games.
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Well, considering that we have the most national championships, the second best winning percentage, the most Heisman winners, etc, I'd say it's as close to fact as you can get with a word like "greatest."
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Oklahoma's recent football history (last 5-7 years) is much better than Notre Dame's. However, let's not forget that Oklahoma sucked throughout much of the 1990's and has only regained prominence over the last several years. Notre Dame has accomplished more in its history than Oklahoma, and its been consistently better over the last 15-30 years. You'll get no arguments from me there. Of course, what you wrote has nothing to do with what I wrote. But good job anyway. I was responding to that specifically. Charlie isn't doing anything that any other coach doesn't do...in fact, do we need to go down the laundry list of shady discipline moves by Stoops at OU? It's unbelievable.
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Oklahoma's recent football history (last 5-7 years) is much better than Notre Dame's. However, let's not forget that Oklahoma sucked throughout much of the 1990's and has only regained prominence over the last several years. Notre Dame has accomplished more in its history than Oklahoma, and its been consistently better over the last 15-30 years.
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I think Weis is getting hit harder because he complained publicly, and he probably should be getting hit harder right now. Of course, the level of hatred being spewed right now is...puzzling, but Weis should be getting criticized the most right now. Weis is getting hit hardest because people love to hate Notre Dame. Its all part of being the greatest program in college football history.
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By the way Big 10 fanboy, unless you went to Ohio State your opinion on this topic is irrelevant.
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dont be such a tool. he said tosu only played other big ten teams. they beat texas when texas was #2. he said UM only beat big 10 teams. they beat ND. Way to prove me wrong on something I wasn't arguing about. Next time maybe post something relevent to what is being discussed, okay? I responded EXACTLY to what you said. You made a garbled, barely coherent response to this quote: "IMHO, the Big 10 appeared to be strong because of a weak out-of-conference schedule and terrible depth in the conference" You said look at the "teams out of conference schedules"---not just Ohio State. Just because "your are def wrong" in the case, it doesn't make me a tool for posting an accurate and "relevant" response. now taking quotes out of context? good work son... :roll: Sure, that's whats happening here.
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dont be such a tool. he said tosu only played other big ten teams. they beat texas when texas was #2. he said UM only beat big 10 teams. they beat ND. Way to prove me wrong on something I wasn't arguing about. Next time maybe post something relevent to what is being discussed, okay? I responded EXACTLY to what you said. You made a garbled, barely coherent response to this quote: "IMHO, the Big 10 appeared to be strong because of a weak out-of-conference schedule and terrible depth in the conference" You said look at the "teams out of conference schedules"---not just Ohio State. Just because "your are def wrong" in the case, it doesn't make me a tool for posting an accurate and "relevant" response.
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look at the teams out of conference schedules before you say stuff like this please. your are def wrong. Big 10 O-O-C Games (Sagarin Rankings) OSU v. 18 Texas OSU v. 40 Cincy OSU v. 84 N. Illinois OSU v. 139 BGU PSU v. 106 Akron PSU v. 13 Notre Dame PSU v. 70 Youngstown State PSU v. 165 Temple UM v. 13 Notre Dame UM v. 65 Vandy UM v. 62 Central Michigan UM v. 93 Ball State Wisc v. 139 BGU Wisc v. 157 W. Illinois Wisc. v. 120 SDSU Wisc. v. 149 Buffalo Those are just the top 4 Big Ten teams schedules, but I would say those OOC schedules blow. You are the one who is "def" wrong. By the way, the Big 10's strength of schedule for OOC games was 9th of the 11 major conferences. http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html
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Sure you can---I believe OSU and USC are the two best teams in the country and UM lost to just those two teams. LSU lost to an above-average Auburn team and lost by two scores to Florida. Michigan beat ND just as bad as or worse than LSU beat them. I think there's no way you can put Michigan below LSU. Florida could possibly be ahead of Michigan, but I haven't seen a luckier team in the national title game since 2003 Ohio State. Florida squeaked by Vandy, Tennessee, and South Carolina and beat Florida State by a just a TD. Michigan had the better season, and Florida's big loss to OSU will indicate who the better team is. So to summarize: -Michigan lost to "your" two best teams in the country. -LSU is worse than Michigan because they lost to worse teams than Michigan lost to -Your #2 team in the nation lost to teams with 4 losses and 6 losses, respectively. -Michigan beat ND as bad or worse than LSU beat them, even though LSU won by one more point, and LSU outgained ND by 150 yards more than Michigan outgained them by. :?: That's why I used words like "I believe." In watching both Michigan and LSU play ND, I thought Michigan was the better team. They dominated the entire game, LSU dominated a half. USC lost nailbiters in their games, LSU and Florida both lost by 10+ points in a loss. Again, its all "my" opinion.
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Sure you can---I believe OSU and USC are the two best teams in the country and UM lost to just those two teams. LSU lost to an above-average Auburn team and lost by two scores to Florida. Michigan beat ND just as bad as or worse than LSU beat them. I think there's no way you can put Michigan below LSU. Florida could possibly be ahead of Michigan, but I haven't seen a luckier team in the national title game since 2003 Ohio State. Florida squeaked by Vandy, Tennessee, and South Carolina and beat Florida State by a just a TD. Michigan had the better season, and Florida's big loss to OSU will indicate who the better team is.
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Just to add to the previous point, Cincy's strength of schedule was ranked #5 while South Florida's was ranked #74. But don't let those facts or the head-to-head results get in the way. Assume away.
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Cincy also spanked South Florida head to head and played a much tougher schedule. Four of their five losses were to Ohio State, Louisville, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech---all solid if not great teams. The fifth loss was to a decent 6-6 Pitt team. In my estimation, Cincy is clearly the better team.
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Perhaps the more interesting argument concerns the Big 10 vs. the SEC. From top to bottom, which stacks up better? I've only looked at the top 10 in each league to have even numbers for comparison. 1. Ohio State 2. Michigan 3. Florida 4. LSU 5. Wisconsin 6. Arkansas 7. Auburn 8. Penn State 9. Tennessee 10.Georgia 11.Purdue 12.South Carolina 13.Kentucky 14.Alabama 15.Iowa 16.Minnesota 17.Indiana 18.Vandy 19.Michigan State 20.Northwestern In 2006, at least, I believe the SEC was significantly better than the Big 10, despite perhaps being weaker at the top. I'm still not convinced that OSU, UM, and Wisconsin aren't the three best teams in this group. The middle and bottom of the B10 was just pretty awful this season, however. Also, I agree that LSU is more talented, but it is hard to put them above possible national champion Florida.
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I'd put Arkansas over Louisville and WVU. I'd put teams that can pass the ball over Arkansas. It also isn't fair to rank the top 8 SEC teams compared with the 8 Big East teams because you're cutting out the 4 worst teams in the SEC. I'd probably drop Kentucky down a lot, and South Carolina a few spots. I'd also switch LSU and Florida. 1. Florida 2. LSU 3. Louisville 4. West Virginia 5. Arkansas 6. Auburn 7. Rutgers 8. Tennessee 9. Georgia 10.South Carolina 11.Kentucky 12.Cincy 13.South Florida 14.Alabama 15.Pitt 16.Vandy 17.Ole' Miss 18.UConn 19.Syracuse 20.Mississippi State I think ranking all 12 SEC schools against the Big East makes the BE look even worse, actually. There's no way I could move South Carolina down further, as I could not see any of the Big East teams below them beating them head to head. Their five losses were to Georgia, Auburn, Arkansas, Tennesse, and Florida. Kentucky maybe could be moved down with only one good win, but maybe just below South Florida. SF has a better record, but they also have all of one win of significant quality. Also, I agree that LSU is more talented, but it is hard to put them above possible national champion Florida.
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Let me preface this little exercise by stating that I do not like the SEC in any way. This is how I would rank the top 8 SEC teams and the 8 Big East teams, based only on this season of play. I would like to see anyone else's opinion this as well. 1. Florida 2. LSU 3. Louisville 4. West Virginia 5. Arkansas 6. Auburn 7. Rutgers 8. Tennessee 9. Georgia 10.South Carolina 11.Kentucky 12.Cincy 13.South Florida 14.Pitt 15.UConn 16.Syracuse While I believe the top 3 Big East teams are in the class of the top SEC teams this season, the 4-8 of the Big East is very poor in comparison to the middle 4-8 of the SEC.
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You continue to beat the out of conference drum, but how can you really believe that the 7-8 Big East games are anywhere near as tough as the 7-8 SEC games that Auburn/Florida/etc play? This is absurd. Louisville, West Virginia, and Rutgers all had great seasons, but the rest of the league is average and can't hold a candle to the 4-12 slots in the Big 10, SEC, etc.
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Truffle, 99% of us agree with you. I would stop arguing it because some of these guys will never be able to see the obvious.
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Either one player can't be responsible for the success of the team or he can. We can't have it both ways just to support Sammy.
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I am certain I will be ridiculed for asking this, but do you guys believe that Sammy's "indiscretions" should ever have any consequences? I feel like most of what I read here concerning the relationship between Sammy and the Cubs villifies the organization and deifies Sammy.
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Is a number really that big a deal?
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Cubs sign Soriano
DCNashville replied to Rusch33's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
The article says that Soriano is "seeking an eight year deal." I don't think he gets that. If it is 8 years, there will be team options. -
GO KSU! If only the Gamecocks could have finished the deal, ND would be one win away from the big one. Gotta hope the Gators lose in the SEC title game, I think.