Well, Torii career numbers aren't good, but he's been pretty good (by CF standards) several times and bad several times. He's been really good this year, so it's a great name to throw out there. He's got a .900 OPS! Well, like I said, he's very good his year. But those .309, .306, .312, etc OBP - those years were bad. Here's a good illustration of my point: '01 - .784 OPS (.306/.479). I don't care what position you play, a .306 OBP is bad. And even a .480 SLG doesn't make up for it's badness. It's better than say a .410 SLG, but it's still doesn't mean it was a good that season. There were 14 qualified CF's in 01. Here are several of them: Andruw Jones-.251/.312/.461 Kenny Lofton-.261/.322/.398 Darin Erstad-.258/.331/.360 Johnny Damon-.256/.324/.363 Doug Glanville-.262/.285/.375 Jerry Hairston Jr.-.233/.305/.344 Brady Anderson-.202/.311/.300 If Hunter was bad, then what were these guys, mostly horrible? That's half of the qualified league (and I took out one guy who had 18 points less of OPS overall but 31 points more of OBP). It seems like you are dismissing OPS as a flawed stat and putting in OBP instead. While OBP is the more important part of OPS (and should be adjusted accordingly, I've seen 1.8 as the multiplier on several different sources from Tango to Hardball times to Dan Agonistes) OPS is still the single best indicator of scoring runs (outside some of the complex formulas), and it's not even close. So yes, if I had two players who had similar OPS's, I'd much rather take the guy with the much higher OBP. If the OPS's are not similar (say within 20 points) I'm going to take the guy with the higher OPS. You can still score a lot of runs with a bad OBP (although it is difficult), a bad OPS makes that pretty impossible even with a good OBP. If you look at this graph as well, this source even says that SLG was a better indicator than OBP over a 5 year period. Of course OPS was much better than either of them: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/ops-for-the-masses/ Well, yes, those are some pretty bad stats. Are you really trying to argue that Brady Anderson's .311/.300 line is good? I don't understand the point. I'm not dismissing OPS. I'm a big proponent of it actually. I just think if you're trying to determine a player's value in the past or predicting his performance in the future, there are other things to consider as well. OBP is just one of those things. A .310 OBP is bad. And when you couple that with a .465 SLG, the resulting OPS is still bad. A .775 OPS isn't necessarily bad, but if includes a .310 OBP, it is. And I've seen you post the runs/OPS correlation study before. I'm not sure how much it proves. Maybe it will prove to be ground breaking and SLG will be the stat that everyone thinks is most important, but right now I don't think that's the case.