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Ditto Wisconsin and Louisville
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hahaha. ok
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Literally no one of any consequence talks about that as a controversial win. No one. Lucky? Yes. Controversial? No. Calling me stupid doesn't make you come off any better.
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So because PI has been called incorrectly before we can't complain about it when it's called incorrectly the next time? Yeah, that makes sense. And unless every call has been made correctly during the course of a game and season, an incorrect call can't be complained about later on? Yeah, that makes sense. It's controversy because two critical calls that went Notre Dame's way were called incorrectly. If those go the other way, there's a pretty good chance Notre Dame isn't in the title game right now. Are you serious? Complain all you want. You clearly don't need my approval to complain about calls. But a bad call or missed play doesn't mean there's controversy in every game. There were calls against ND in that game that were close and could have resulted in a bigger MOV. Sure, a few plays go one way or another and the results can be different. That's true for some ND games. True for Bama/LSU and Bama/Georgia. True for any number of games every season. You hate ND so you want to find controversy in as many ND wins as you can. Fine. Knock yourself out. Doesn't mean there's actual controversy.
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Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game. Don't forget about the Pitt game also. Controversy? Is it fun to live in the land of make believe? There was the terrible PI call on fourth down against Pittsburgh on ND's first TD drive of the fourth quarter. And then on Pittsburgh's potential game winner in the second OT, Notre Dame had two players wearing the No. 2 on the field, which should have been a penalty and a rekick. PI? Yeah, ND is the only team that's ever had a PI call go in the offense's favor. That's controversy. I assume you've gone thru every play of that game and every other game to determine of there were any calls that were anything but 100% correct?
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Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game. Don't forget about the Pitt game also. Controversy? Is it fun to live in the land of make believe?
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ND's offense gave up 7 points to Stanford too
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Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game. Nor the Stanford game. The NCAA head of officials said the call was correct. There's only controversy for those that want to make one up. Sure thing. Glad we agree
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You're just pulling things out of the air now.
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Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game. Nor the Stanford game. The NCAA head of officials said the call was correct. There's only controversy for those that want to make one up.
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People hate ND for a variety of reasons. Media exposure, perceived bias (which existed long ago but has switched to prejudice some time ago), popularity, fans, etc. Fyi, 100% of the reason people hate you is bc of you. So there's that.
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I'm confused, this looks like you're talking about margin of victory or something. I'm talking about what the defense has allowed. That said, by the breakdown you listed (granted from Sagarin), both ND and Alabama played 2 top 10 teams and two top 75 teams. The biggest difference between their schedule is that Notre Dame played 3 top 11-25 teams while Alabama played 2 of those. A little of that difference being made up by Alabama playing two top 100-149 teams, while Notre Dame played 2 of them. Going by that breakdown, there's not a huge difference in the two teams' schedules and, as I said before, is probably not enough to close the gap on the actual statistical advantages Alabama's defense holds on ND. I'm not calling Sagarin infallible at all (in fact, I'm generally pretty skeptical of the computer rankings), I simply used Sagarin because all the rankings are subjective and he's a pretty credible subjective guy. It was a breakdown I just saw that was interesting and relevant to this discussion.
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I'm baffled by Mizzou moving to the SEC. Why would anyone commit to a school that might get to finish 3rd in its division once? Were they that worried about the big 12 going under? Of course they were worried about the Big 12 imploding. It had already lost 3 members, and UT and OU were courting the PAC Whatever. I still think they pulled the trigger too soon, though. A flagship school with solid academics in a populated state was going to find a home no matter what. I think being in (and losing in) the SEC has really impacted their recruiting. Mizzou built their program on Texas kids. Right now, they have one. Without those regular games in Texas, it might be harder to sell kids on going to Missouri. Of course, they now have better access to the southeastern states, but I don't think those kids (generally) want to leave the south, especially the top kids. That leaves Missouri fighting with back of the pack SEC schools and ACC schools for the leftovers. I have to think there would have been room in the 16-team big ten or in whatever conference Texas and OU end up in. I think you're right that they panicked.
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These are my favorite posts on this board. Walk into the cfb thread and what are people discussing? CFB?!?!?!?! Who cares about cfb in the cdb thread?
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Sagarin has Alabama's schedule ranked 35 and Notre Dame's ranked 30. Not a big enough difference to disregard the statistical advantage. That said, I don't think Alabama's is considerably better. Just slightly. Even if we assume Sagarin is infalliable, which some here are more willing to do than I am. Things look pretty different against their best opponents. As the games get easier, you can start to see where Bama begins pulling away. Also not surprising that ND wasn't putting up 30 ppg early with a RS freshman making 2 of his first 4 starts against top 20 defenses. NOTRE DAME vs Top 10: 2-0 +24 (Oklahoma and Stanford) vs Top 25: 5-0 +43 ( add USC, BYU, Michigan) vs Top 50: 7-0 +63 (add Michigan St and Pitt) vs Top 75: 9-0 +104 (add Miami and Purdue) vs Top 100: 10-0 +144 (add Navy) vs Top150: 12-0 +197 (add BC and Wake Forest) ALABAMA vs Top 10: 1-1 -1 (Texas A&M and Georgia) vs Top 25: 3-1 +30 (add LSU and Michigan) vs Top 50: 6-1 +112 (add Ole Miss, Miss St, and Missouri) vs Top 75: 8-1 +195 (add Tennessee and Arkansas) vs Top 100: 10-1 +279 (add Western Kentucky and Auburn) vs Top 150: 11-1 +312 (add Florida Atlantic)
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ND is ranked 1st in points per game. Though Bama is 1st in yards per game. I'd lean toward Alabama as best defense in the country - 1st in ypg and 2nd in ppg allowed. ND is 1st in ppg allowed, but just 6th in ypg allowed. If you count fcs opponents... Bama gave up a total of 7 points to these 5 teams teams: Western Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida Atlantic, W Carolina, Auburn. So Bama pitched shutouts against a number of terrible teams. Only 1 of which is going to a bowl (ETA-bowl eligible. I guess I shouldn't assume that the 5th best Sun Belt team is going bowling). ND shutout Wake and gave up 2 FGs to BC. The only non-bowl eligible teams on its schedule.
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you'd have to pay someone a lot of money to take out all of ND's starting 22, and probably another 5-10 of their backups, for that to happen. I dunno, Wisconsin is probably better than Pitt. Yeah, 5-loss Wisconsin is probably better than the #1 team with the best defense in the country. Then again, Wisconsin lost at home to 6-6 MSU. Wisconsin is probably the "best" 5-loss team in cfb this year with all close losses. But Nebraska is probably the only good team they beat all year and it took them 2 tries.
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I'm baffled by Mizzou moving to the SEC. Why would anyone commit to a school that might get to finish 3rd in its division once? Were they that worried about the big 12 going under?
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you'd have to pay someone a lot of money to take out all of ND's starting 22, and probably another 5-10 of their backups, for that to happen.
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You big x champs have 5 losses and absolutely [expletive] owned the 2nd best team in the league. What's Wisconsin's best win before tonight? Purdue or Minny?
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90 should be done for the game, if we're actually concerned with head injuries
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Mccarron gets a flag for a shoulder to shoulder hit. Murray doesn't when a guy hits him helmet to helmet in front of the ref. Huh
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We're definitely going to have that and it's going to be a shame when we do. You think the regular season will be pared down to 10 games or that, despite all the concerns with brain damage, schools will say "F it, we're playing 15-17 games a season"
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4 was the only one I got right
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I wish we could find a talented 25 year old to put on the field. ... and you wonder why people get tired of this kind of post. I guess you read something in this post that certainly wasn't there. How many threads are you going to spiral out of control before you realize it's not everyone else that's the problem?
