I'm a student of the auto industry. I've spent time in makes from just about every manufacturer doing business in this country ... I've had more than my fair share of exposure to Honda and Toyota products. As another Asian notable, Sun Tsu, said - "know thine enemy as thyself." That's fostered my intense study of models from foreign sources as a supplement to my fascination with the American automakers. I'm amazed at the ease with which fans of foreign cars and the American media - two supposedly seperate entities which are really one and the same in practice - dismiss the JD Power surveys, which use a much better statistical base than Consumer Reports. I think some people are afraid their heads would explode if they ever accepted the notion that American cars don't suck donkey balls. I think the Prizm's had Toyota engines in them. I'm certainly not surprised it has 225k and is still running. Yes they did. the Prizm was just a rebadged Corrolla. Now they have the Pontiac Vibe/Toyota Matrix that are the same base car. Interesting, I didn't know that about the Vibe and Matrix. Why would Pontiac want to team with Toyota and vice versa? So are the Vibe and Matrix mostly a GM product or Toyota? The Vibe and Matrix' mechanicals are mostly Toyota-derived, and the electronics came from GM; styling work was completed by Pontiac and Toyota for their respective models. They're both assembled on the same line at the NUMMI plant in California. Incidentally, the Vibe outsells the Matrix by a considerable margin. Most GM fans, like myself, think it's time for this partnership to end. NUMMI was started in the mid-80's, back when GM was looking for a competitive entry into the small-car class (Nova/Corolla), and Toyota was looking for help in constructing a plant on U.S. soil. IMHO both companies now do well on their own, on both counts. The arrangement has allowed GM to learn much about Toyota's lean manufacturing techniques, and in the end, I think GM got the better of the deal. But the lessons have been learned at this point, and the situation makes GM look weak in the minds of many. Time to get out. The Honda engines used in the VUE are the result of an arrangement in which GM gets the motors in exchange for providing Honda with diesels for use in Europe. This too, IMHO, is a needless alliance which makes GM look weak in this market, as no one ever hears about the GM-powered Hondas and assumes that GM went begging for the Honda unit because it couldn't come up with one on its own. Extremely informative. I learned some things. There is no automotive ranking that I put much belief in. The best research I have available to me is personal ownership history and watching the development of friends' autos.