illiniguy

That's his third RBI of the season, go figure I love how he was so bad no one wanted him all off season. The Cardinals sign him and right away he is as good as anyone the first month of the season. Unreal. I don't care how good a pitching coach Dave Duncan is. You can't make EVERY crappy pitcher you bring in good. It doesn't happen. I still have yet to hear an explanation as to why the Cardinals got a nice season out of Braden Looper last year throwing over twice as many innings as he'd ever thrown in his career. It wouldn't suprise me at all to find out they were cheating. Look at how the steroids have followed LaRussa's teams.

I am driving to lawrence on May 9th to see him pitch. Can't wait. That probably won't be pretty for the Jayhawks. Mizzou has a good program, is KU any good? No, not really. I think they're about 5 games over .500 overall and well below .500 in conference. ETA: 25-18, 5-10. Mizzou will put us in a clown suit. For the record, we played UI (and lost) this year, too. I don't think we have been any good lately, but I do know we have had a couple of guys drafted. Including the guy we got in the Neifi Perez trade to Detroit. So right away Chris Robinson is our best player, by ridding us of Neifi.

That's his third RBI of the season, go figure I love how he was so bad no one wanted him all off season. The Cardinals sign him and right away he is as good as anyone the first month of the season. Unreal.

Cardinals are winning 1-0 on another hit for their pitcher. :roll:

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG C'mon now, let's be honest here. There isn't a single rational person that would take Jefferson over Garnett at this stage, regardless of what those numbers say. Plenty of players have put up big numbers for bad teams. This also isn't baseball; defense matters a great deal (as, to a lesser extent, do intangibles). Garnett is a much better player at this time than Jefferson. The above poster was correct, Garnett will be in the Hall of Fame and it's not likely Jefferson will join him. I'm not arguing for Jefferson being as good as KG, I'm just giving one example of KG not being the most valuable player in the league this year. KG had a wonderful season for a great team, and I'm sure he did in fact have some intangible impact on the team too, but there is simply no way I can justify voting KG the MVP, especially in a season with three otherworldly candidates the caliber of Kobe, CP, and LeBron. I'm not supporting KG as MVP; you can see an earlier post I think it should be LeBron. KG would be fourth on my ballot. However, in arguing against him, posters have totally discredited how good he is. He's a great, great player. This isn't baseball. Numbers mean a lot, but they're not everything. Defense matters a great deal and KG is a phenomenal player on that end of the court. Intangibles also come into play and KG thrives here, too. Amassing stats on bad teams is one thing (Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, etc), doing it while leading a 67-win team is different (though KG had been on poor teams the last two years). No we are not trying to put KG down, I have stated before it is more about holding Al up. Al is a darn good player too.

He started most of last year until it was obvious that the Yankees needed him in the bullpen down the stretch at which point they moved him into that role at AAA.

I am driving to lawrence on May 9th to see him pitch. Can't wait. That probably won't be pretty for the Jayhawks. Mizzou has a good program, is KU any good?

Yeah except those numbers aren't even all that close.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG Plus didn't the Wolves win about the same number of games with Jefferson? Garnett is a good player, but so is Jefferson. They won 10 less games this year. Ok so they did better with Garnett than I thought. But, they are also in a much tougher West this year. I really think Jefferson is almost, almost as good as Garnett. But, that isn't meant as an insult to KG rather a compliment to Al.

I guess the voting is usually the best player on the best team. And that's Kevin Garnett So you are for Kobe then? Cause the Celtics are the best team only in record.

Garnett: 18.8 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 BPG Jefferson: 21.0 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.5 BPG Plus didn't the Wolves win about the same number of games with Jefferson? Garnett is a good player, but so is Jefferson.

I love the Jazz. They are so deep and good.

KG turned around a team that was 24-58. Yes Ray Allen helped that out alot, but Garnett was the best player on the best team this year. He was the leader of the best team in the NBA. If that isn't MVP material then a I dunno what is. And to say Al Jefferson was better than him, im sorry then I don't want to talk NBA with you anymore. It's not necessarily that Al Jefferson is better than Garnett, it's that if the Celtics didn't make that trade and had a trio of Pierce, Allen and Jefferson, not much would have changed. The Celtics won their division this year by 25 games, they were 14 games better than No. 3 Orlando and 21 games better than No. 4 Cleveland. I don't think they would have had the best record in the league and probably wouldn't have been No. 1 in the East, but Boston would have won their division and would have been at least the No. 3 seed in the East, if not the No. 2 ahead of Orlando. As far as LeBron, I discount him a bit because he's in the East and any team with a pulse could have made the playoffs in the East. I also hold this against Garnett. The West was far and away the tougher conference this year and when determining MVP candidates, that has to be in consideration. I wouldn't take LeBron out of the discussion, but I'd put him a solid third behind Kobe and Chris Paul and easily ahead of Garnett. And even though I'm a Lakers fan and my choice of Kobe for MVP is a semi-homer pick, I won't be disappointed at all if Paul wins it because he's been ridiculous this year as well. Wait, are you being serious? Al Jefferson can't hold KG's jock. Its not even close. Take KG off the Celtics and they are probably a 6 or 7 seed, not top 5. Al Jefferson is a okay player FOR THE LAST PLACE TIMBERWOLVES. My MVP Ballot 1. Kevin Garnett 2. Kobe Bryant 3. Chris Paul 4. LeBron James Its so damn close The Celtics would be a top 2 East team had they still kept Al Jefferson. He is a damn good player all by himself in Minnesota.

Helped his team get the No. 1 seed in the playoffs in the far, far tougher conference despite a number of injuries? Get out of here with that. Find me one guy on LeBron's team that would even crack the Laker's rotation. LeBron is the MVP in my book. That team is the Heat if he gets hurt. Again, as I said earlier, that's not the only criteria but it has to be considered. I mean, are the Cavs even a playoff team if they're in the West? They went 17-13 overall against the West this year but only 5-11 against the eight playoff teams. Yeah, without LeBron, Cleveland would probably be the Heat. But if you put Cleveland in the West, they're probably Portland or Sacramento and are 10-12 games out of a playoff spot. Hence the reason I don't buy the "well, LeBron helped get a crappy team into the playoffs". It's not a very hard thing to do in the East. True, I hadn't really thought of it in that respect. It is a very strange year in that when have we ever had 4 guys as deserving for the MVP in the same year? I can think of three, but never four. I mean the year Barkley won, Jordan and Olajuwon had arguments. But, this year is ridiculous.

I'd say that the Lakers' rotation is better than the Cavs. I'd take Odom over any of the four Cavs guys you listed without question and probably Bynum as well. But it's not so much better that the two shouldn't even be compared. The big thing, as you addressed, is Pau Gasol. People get all caught up in that trade but like you said, the Lakers were tops in the West before Gasol. They were 30-16 when Pau played in his first game and he did only play in 27 games with the Lakers. So for 2/3 of the season, the Lakers had to deal without him. Gasol essentailly replaced Bynum. You guys will be scary when they can both play together. Scary.

I also think that a few times Kobe should have won the MVP, but didn't because of politics. But, that is just my opinion.

Helped his team get the No. 1 seed in the playoffs in the far, far tougher conference despite a number of injuries? Get out of here with that. Find me one guy on LeBron's team that would even crack the Laker's rotation. LeBron is the MVP in my book. That team is the Heat if he gets hurt.

Ok man was I wrong. Nice work Ronny.

Lee would've been toast. He was at third before Chavez had the ball. dag nabbit the last thing we needed there was a K. No he wasn't. Chavez picked it up before Lee rounded third and the ball wasn't hit hard so it would have been a shorter throw to the plate. SSR is right. Even with an average throw home, Lee would have been toast. At least we would have made them make a play. This was a pathetic inning. DeRosa has to make contact.

Lee would've been toast. He was at third before Chavez had the ball. Dammit the last thing we needed there was a K.

Why didnt we send Lee there?

How Cub like is it to move guys into different positions to play a terrible hitter. Just play Murton, Fontenot is terrible.

Hip Hop baggy pants. :shock:

He homered.

For what its worth, it looked like the first base ump more than made up for the Soto call when he called Reyes out on that DP. True