Right. I think they finish third or fourth. But if you're the third or fourth best team in a conference -- at least one that does not include some juggernaut at the top -- then you have some chance to win the conference. I think Michigan State is a juggernaut. Greta point guard(Appling), another great wing(Harris or Dawson), and a great post player(Payne). I thought before the season they were in the Big Ten. And they still could be, but I don't think they've lived up to that just yet. I am with you, though, that I would be pretty surprised if a team other than Michigan State won the league. Looking forward to the IU-Michigan State game Saturday; certainly could be ugly, but Assembly Hall can make things difficult on superior opponents (yes, yes, homer officiating, blah blah). You guys really need that one. The Big Ten schedulers did you no favors early on this year. If Michigan State gets that one that's pretty big, like you said there won't be a lot of teams come into the fake Assembly Hall and win.