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"I guess it's my fault." No [expletive] Sherlock.

Bardo needs to slap that [expletive].

Prolly just a coincidence that Burke went on an 8 to 0 run once Sam checked in, eh Bruce?

Don't care. I still wouldn't have believed that they could win 12 games going into the year even knowing that fact. Heath has done a very nice job there. They just won 20 games 2 years ago. But, how many were non con? Not that I remembered them winning 20 lol.

I blame Ron Artest. He was pissed because of what Ben Wallace did, he just wasn't crazy enough to attack Wallce. Instead he found a small, white guy 150 feet away.

Don't care. I still wouldn't have believed that they could win 12 games going into the year even knowing that fact. Heath has done a very nice job there.

They were, but they seem to have gotten better when it matters most. Good for them. Stan Heath is an outside contender for conference coach of the year. He has to be the favorite. Has to be. Nah, it's the emptiest 12 win conference record I've ever seen. Still it is at South Florida. That's like a guy going into the Big 12 a couple of years ago and winning 12 games with Colorado. No matter what his conference schedule looked like he should get coach of the year imo. The coach and school can't help the conference schedule.

If a zoo has a visiting tiger exhibit and the tigers break out and eat visitors, the tigers have to be put down (or at least removed). But the culpability doesn't end there. The people responsible for securing the tigers also have to answer for their negligence. (If you don't like the animals example, make it a prison break that leads to rape and murder -- the rapists and murderers are the main culprits, but the wardens and officials that allowed the escape to occur must also answer.) The Pacers' nut cases were the main culprits. But the reason stadiums and professional teams have security is to prevent these situations (or at least prevent the full-scale snow-balling escalation that occured). The Pistons failed here. They're culpable for that failure. I dont know if you can blame the Pistons for not anticipating that 2 players would jump into the stands and start punching everyone in their way. Causing a frenzy. It's not just not a very likely scenario to occur. They provide enough security as they are legally required to, and they can probably train their security for what to do if players go into the stands, but it just doesn't come up often. It's like spending money for a bear patrol where there is rarely ever bears that come into the neighborhood. You can have regular policemen handle any bear related situations that come up but do you need to raise taxes to have a specialized bear patrol? I think CCP and I have been clear that the Pistons couldn't have expected or prevented Artest or Jackson from entering the stands. However, I think they could have prevented that fan from being in the arena (or at least kept an eye on him). Most importantly, I am certain that they could have, and should have, been able to secure the court area, prevent fans from going onto the court, and escorted the remaining players into the lockerrooms. Security exists as much for the stuff that happens after an incident as it does to prevent the actual incident. I think it was the perfect storm of crazy. Detroit fans and Indiana players. Not much could have been done. But, maybe that's just me.

They were, but they seem to have gotten better when it matters most. Good for them. Stan Heath is an outside contender for conference coach of the year. He has to be the favorite. Has to be.

I'm not sure how? What would you have done differently? The Pistons could have removed the fan that threw the beer before this happened. They knew he was likely to start trouble. They could have had security nearby the area. This wasn't a quick happening thing. Artest was on the scoring table for 90 seconds or so, and the beer that hit him wasn't the first one that was thrown. And Ben Wallace's brother was working his way towards Artest and was looking for a fight himself, so even if Artest hadn't jumped into the stands something might have happened anyway. If security had gotten between Artest and the fan immediately, it would have been over. Artest didn't go in swinging. He was trying to find the fan who threw the beer. And Jackson was trying to fight with Artest to keep the fans from killing him so he would have stopped as soon as Artest was safe. No fans should have been able to get on the floor. Fans did, and yet there was nobody making any effort to stop them. Security should have been up in the stands by the fans in the tunnel to try to slow down the amount of chairs and bottles and other things that were thrown at the players and coaches trying to leave the floor. This was a rivalry game that had clearly turned heated. The crowd had already gotten ugly before this point, but there was nobody there to deter them. The whole point of arena security is to keep the crowd from ever turning into a mob mentality. And the Detroit crowd was in a mob mentality by the end of that night. Could security have stopped Artest/Jackson from going in the stands? No. But they could have minimized the damage from it. Instead, the crowd was just let to run rampant. Nothing over the PA, no security/police officers, nothing. BTW, the next time the Pacers were in Detroit, the game was delayed for 90 minutes or so because there were reports that somebody placed a bomb in the Pacers locker room. Thankfully by then Detroit had learned their lesson and security was much tighter than it had been the night of the brawl. The fan that trhew the beer wasn't the one that was attacked. It was some other guy a few seats behind the guilty party. Fans got to the court because the security was busy trying to get two idiots out of the stands. There are tons of rivalry games where this type of thing could happen, but doesn't. It doesn't because most teams only have one insane person on a roster. The Pacers tempted fate by collecting a group of them.

I'm not sure how? What would you have done differently?

He's right. The Pistons should have petitioned the league to have the Pacers removed because they were gathering up too many psychopaths. Really what more could the Pistons have done? Told their security to be mindful of the fact that Artest and Jackson would be too afraid of Ben Wallace to get mad at him so instead they might attack fans instead?

They failed because you had a team full of nut cases. Stern handled it the right way.

Meyers maybe a baby, but he was outclassing the greatest player ever, Cody Zeller, until the IU home court took over. He shouldn't have fouled Cody's elbow with his face. He wanted his nose to be as swollen and ugly as Zellers. That's dedication.

Meyers maybe a baby, but he was outclassing the greatest player ever, Cody Zeller, until the IU home court took over.

Michael Orris ended his high school career with 4 points, hopefully the next coach runs his mid to low major ass off.

A lot of people feel he would have problems recruiting Chicago without Jerrance. Others don't like his SOP.

Lol at cubs fans thinking Myers was better than he was. Doesn't he own us, like big time?

As he should, Derons better.......or it was an all star game and no one is a bad option. LeBrons still the best player in the world and probably about to win his first title this year.

I hope for a fire. In Tom Creans pants. With MSU winning by 70.

Which is a typical DJ stat line.

Yes. They both suck. There is literally nothing that Ogelsby is better at than Richardson at this point. He's drove the ball well against us, granted this is alive seen of him.

no, he's white. he'd be playing. Are you guys trying to argue that Ogelsby is better than DJ? Cause that's...rather untrue Is it? Yes. They both suck.

no, he's white. he'd be playing. Are you guys trying to argue that Ogelsby is better than DJ? Cause that's...rather untrue Is it?

Why kill them when you can let them get back in it?