OleMissCub

speak of the devil, i believe that game was against South Alabama, Juan Pierre's alma mater.

played an 18 inning game once in college and went 0-8...it was lovely. I think it brought my average down 22 points or something.

what the hell, this game is still on??? I just noticed.

Absolutely. If rock music doesn't exist in 500 years, I think it'll be The Beatles that are most studied of any rock group. I mean, a good many Music Schools have courses on the musicology of The Beatles music. Although, the Who will also be looked at no doubt because of the originality of "Tommy". But the Beatles did soooooooo much for the genre, and I think it's a shame that there are people here who don't consider them a Rock band.

Kashmir at "moderately = 80" and WMGGW at "moderately = 114". Both are in 4/4 time, except that the bridge in Kashmir is 3/4. I mean, 80 to 114 isn't that big of a difference and if i clap out the beginnings of both songs, WMG is only slightly faster than Kashmir, so that's about right.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there... Well, it does. A quick look at my guitar tab books shows that "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" has a tempo of 114 and "Kashmir" is at 80. But that should be evident just by the naked ear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZjZX9_UUs (how you don't consider that a Rock song, I dunno. were you possibly thinking of the acoustic version that is on the Beatles Anthology CD?) Nope, I have the "normal" version on my computer. Well, nevertheless, "Kashmir"(my fav zep song) is slower than "WMGGW"

I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there... Well, it does. A quick look at my guitar tab books shows that "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" has a tempo of 114 and "Kashmir" is at 80. But that should be evident just by the naked ear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZjZX9_UUs (how you don't consider that a Rock song, I dunno. were you possibly thinking of the acoustic version that is on the Beatles Anthology CD?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8kEVKtDC-Q

Most of "Stairway" does not rock; True, but it is still considered to be a Classic Rock song. I happen to think it is very overrated. Kashmir has a slower tempo than While My Guitar, and I would consider it to be a very brooding and dark song.

The Yellow Submarine was horrible. Tommy was much better. But "A Hard Day's Night" is an outstanding film. "Help" not so much. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Beatles were stoned throughout much of the filming of "Help" It's been a few years since I've seen it. yes, they were completely blitzed during the entire filming.

Are you saying that "WMGGW" is not a rock song?? That song has Eric Clapton going apesh*t on the guitar in it. I think it is one of their harder songs. Second, "she came in through the bathroom window" and "mean mr. mustard" are just as hard as most of the stuff the Rolling Stones or The Doors put out during that time. Drums banging, guitars jangling, and bass pumping. Yeah I was really confused by this. I assumed he was listing the songs that people would consider rock, but why the hell are Here Comes the Sun and Ob-La-Di on there. (While neglecting A LOT of others) And as you addressed, it just doesn't seem possible to me to consider While my Guitar Gently Weeps or She Came in Through the Bathroom Window as non-rock. maybe he just went and found the silliest or sappiest sounding song titles and assumed they weren't rock? yeah, maybe he just thinks that songs with slow, moody guitar do not rock so Zep's "Kashmir" and "Stairway to Heaven" don't rock?

The Yellow Submarine was horrible. Tommy was much better. But "A Hard Day's Night" is an outstanding film. "Help" not so much.

Are you saying that "WMGGW" is not a rock song?? That song has Eric Clapton going apesh*t on the guitar in it. I think it is one of their harder songs. Second, "she came in through the bathroom window" and "mean mr. mustard" are just as hard as most of the stuff the Rolling Stones or The Doors put out during that time. Drums banging, guitars jangling, and bass pumping. Yeah I was really confused by this. I assumed he was listing the songs that people would consider rock, but why the hell are Here Comes the Sun and Ob-La-Di on there. (While neglecting A LOT of others) And as you addressed, it just doesn't seem possible to me to consider While my Guitar Gently Weeps or She Came in Through the Bathroom Window as non-rock. maybe he just went and found the silliest or sappiest sounding song titles and assumed they weren't rock? Paul's fuzz bass that he uses in "Mean Mr. Mustard" is outright sick as hell. I know so many bass players who goof around with that riff. The thing about Zep is that they were all influential as individual performers...not so sure about Jones, but definitely the other 3. The Beatles, as shown by their sub-par (except for lennon) solo careers, worked best as a unit. However, Paul is definitely one of the most influential bass players of all rock history. He is one of the first, if not the first, bass players to play counter melody or counter backbeat. This really was first apparent on their amazing single "Rain". My father once remarked about how he and his buddies were so floored by the bass line in that song that they would turn the bass all the way up and the treble down just to hear that bass line. I think this stems from two things, first McCartney is a melodic genius, no one could deny that. Second, he started out as a guitar player and played lead during most of their days in Hamburg, so it seems natural he'd get bored playing backbeat.

They put out over 200 songs, nearly all of them self-written, and in only 7 years. How many bands these days take that long to come out with just two albums?

Are you saying that "WMGGW" is not a rock song?? That song has Eric Clapton going apesh*t on the guitar in it. I think it is one of their harder songs. Second, "she came in through the bathroom window" and "mean mr. mustard" are just as hard as most of the stuff the Rolling Stones or The Doors put out during that time. Drums banging, guitars jangling, and bass pumping.

when i want to listen to rock i crank up led zep. that's why i love them. they are by leaps and bounds the greatest hard rock group of all time. again, I must ask in regards to your constant mocking. Have you ever even heard the White Album or Abbey Road??

"song remains the same"...great great dvd.

To me, Zep are without a smidgen of doubt the better musicians and performers of the two groups. I think the Beatles were the better songwriters and innovaters. However, I love them both because they are the two bands whom I think deserve the most credit for making rock what it is now. The Beatles pioneered the "rock band" sound, and Zep pioneered the "hard rock" sound. There is a good story in Bob Spitz's enormous book "The Beatles", which came out recently, about John and George going to a London club in 1968 and seeing the newly formed Zep and being floored by them, and i believe John remarked that they were the most powerful rock band he'd ever heard. As a side note, i was in London the other day and I went by the underground apartment/studio that Ringo rented out to a young and upcoming Jimi Hendrix in 1966. Jimi was then a regular of the club scene in London and had wisely attatched himself to the Beatles who were very fond of his sound, especially since he played Sgt. Pepper on guitar when they walked into a club, only ONE day after the album had been released. Jimi had already memorized it and learned it. Anyways, Ringo had to evict Jimi from the apartment because he had painted the walls black and only used candlelight for he was apparently into the occult at the time. This apartment was later made famous because it is where John and 'Yucko' took their famous nude album cover photo.

Why? Are you another who thinks of them as just their ed sullivan/ boyband days in 1964 singing "she loves you"?

even the Nelson Twins?? What about Take That or Hanson?

Funny, i was in liverpool two weekends ago. I couldn't believe how many clubs and bars they have in such a small area. did you see the Lennon statue outside the cavern?

exactly i love both of these bands very dearly and even own vinyl copies of every single one of their albums....but when i applied the "tim" test, i had to go with Beatles. Led Zep doesn't carry so many different types of emotional weight through their music, wheras the Beatles do. So, I go with them. Pretty crappy semi-final matchup i might add.

An album that introduced horns into rock music: 'got to get you into my life', introduced eastern music into modern rock: 'love you to', first to have fullout symphonic music with a rock band song: 'elenaor rigby', first to have backwards music: 'rain'(revolver sessions), first to have tape loops and sampling (p diddy should be thankful): 'tomorrow never knows',and first to have acid rock: 'she said she said' better than sgt. pepper by leaps and bounds. i'm glad its starting to get voted higher than pepper in some greatest album polls.

Zep zep zep zep!!!!!! if this comes down to beatles or zep, i'm gonna hava tough time. For all of my standing up for the beatles, i'm perhaps an even bigger zep fan. the only reason i don't say alot about them on this board is because i don't have to defend them like i do the beatles

That's because, much to chagrin of Lennon later in his life, most of their popular songs were McCartney songs. Indeed, with perhaps the exception of Helter Skelter, nearly all of the Beatles heavy rock songs are Lennon songs i.e. 'me and my monkey', i want you, yer blues, come together, happiness is a warm gun etc

Very good post. The Beatles are as "rock" as it gets. Are we to blame them because they expanded upon rock and roll? Because they had - and exercised - the capacity to transcend the borders of the musical genre for whose very existence they were largely responsible? If anything, we should celebrate it. It's like claiming that Mozart isn't classical music because he didn't use horns or trumpets in his music like the classical music of today. And last i checked, this was BEST ROCK BAND ever, not 'best heavy rock' group ever.